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Pete Sampras: The Most Overrated Player of all time

Pete Sampras desperately wanted to be known as the greatest ever, as an athlete who was so dominant that he transcended his sport, and for a while he had the general sports media in the U.S. on his wagon. But the fact is that the Peetster never dominated tennis at a level that gave him an undisputed claim to "greatest ever" and that would put him in the same category as Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan.

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Sampras had only two years in his career, 1993 and 1994, where he was a truly dominant #1 player, and even in those years he failed to win more than 2 Slam titles.

Sampras had a very one-dimensional game after 1996, and by the end of his career, other players on the tour were openly contemptuous of his inability to play from the baseline. At Roland Garros, Sampras was just another guy in the Top 100 struggling to win a couple of rounds.

While the crown jewel of Sampy's career, his 7 Wimby titles, is nothing to sneeze at, you have to consider that out of the few occasions from 1992-2001 when he played a big serve-and-volley player who had an on day, three times he was beaten (Ivo in '92, Krajicek in '96, Feds in '01), and a fourth time (Philipoussis in '99), his opponent retired injured after winning the first set.

Two of the Peetster's USOpen victories against Agassi ('95 and '02)were due, plain and simple, to Agassi getting screwed by the idiot USTA schedulers forcing him to play late into Saturday night in his semifinal matches, while Sampy had many hours of extra rest. This was especially the case in the '95 final, when Agassi was playing far better tennis than Sampras. After beating Becker 76 76 76, 14 hours was just not enough turnaround time for Andre to win two tough best of fives. And when Sampras came up against solid returners in the '00 and '01 USO finals, what did he get? A pair of straight set thrashings.

The only reason Sampras holds the record for Slam titles is that Borg skipped the Australian Open during his 9 year period of dominance. If Borg had bothered showing up in his prime he would have won the Australian four or five times, giving him 15 or 16 Slam titles, and people would still be calling Borg the greatest ever.

In sum, Sampras carved out his place in tennis history by winning 14 GS titles. But does he have a record that is going to stand the test of time qualifying him as "greatest ever"? No way.
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Re: Pete Sampras: The Most Overrated Player of all time

Yeah the most Slams ever in the history of the game. Very overrated
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Re: Pete Sampras: The Most Overrated Player of all time

Thank you for informing us what a troll you are, Vogus.
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Re: Pete Sampras: The Most Overrated Player of all time

wow... just... wow...
2002 us open. his LAST matches. all that needs to be said. he's amazing, he won the last slam he played against andre in the final and never looked back. who cares if he never won more than 2 in a year (and that he only did that twice)? how many years did chris evert win 2 or more slams?

Maybe Roger can win Roland Garros.......
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how many years did chris evert win 2 or more slams?
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Two of the Peetster's USOpen victories against Agassi ('95 and '02)were due, plain and simple, to Agassi getting screwed by the idiot USTA schedulers forcing him to play late into Saturday night in his semifinal matches, while Sampy had many hours of extra rest..
OR... maybe... just maybe... Pete dominated Andre head-to-head at Wimbly and USO... because... get ready for this.... here it comes... no, it's receeding... diminished beyond recognition... oh wait, it's back with a bang and there's no stopping it:

BECAUSE HE WAS A BIGGER ALL-AROUND TALENT, BOTH PHYSICALLY AND ESPECIALLY PSYCHOLOGICALLY.




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Sorry..... But i don't he is overrated.

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oops, my bad... i guess i just had in mind her 13 consecutive years of winning a slam... so she never won three in a year? like pete...
i guess she wasn't the best example.

Maybe Roger can win Roland Garros.......
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You guys denounce him as a troll without even really reading his posts. Pete has an almost unimpeachable slam record but that does not mean that Vogus has not brought up some thought provoking points. Indeed, Pete was only truly dominant in the years 93-95 and even then he lost twenty or so matches on the year- nowhere close to McEnroe's, Lendl's, Borg's, or Federer's best years. Pete was the best at racking up slams though, whether it was one a year or not. But in terms of peaks and dominant years he is out of any top contention. Pete's style was the most conducive to a long haul of slam achievement but he was no longer a truly dominant player by the end of 97. 96 was only saved as a year by his thrashing of Chang at the US Open. He never had the aura that the player's of the eighties, and Federer do, where a single loss can shatter their image of invincibility. He had domains like the grass of wimbledon, where people knew he was beyond reach, but also many others where even journeymen were quite comfortable in competing against him. Not so with the aforementioned players. Even if they were not pre-eminent on a surface, they were top-5 on all of them, and specialists knew they could be blown off the court regardless of the bounce or speed. And yes, folks Federer is top 5 on clay. Actually he is the #2 clay-court player in the world at the moment based on results and what have you. Coria and Gaudio don't trouble him anymore. Only Nadal does. There is a misconception that clay is somehow federer's kryptonite, and some people lose sight of how accomplished he is on the surface sans a Roland Garros win.
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Re: Pete Sampras: The Most Overrated Player of all time

Sampras' fault was having a boring s&v game, no personality, anti-Rafter attitude, and doing Sharapova-like runs on my TV with those braggard RBS commercials. If I could take slams away from him on those points alone I would...

However, I wish Agassi, Krajicek, et al would have stepped it up more often. The mid '90s were the pitts because of Sampras. Which is why I was watching Monica, Aranxta, Hingis, et al.
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You guys denounce him as a troll without even really reading his posts.
They don't care. It's a ride on the insult bandwagon. Anyone who doesn't agree with their views are trolls.

Real trolls are really, really nasty characters who get banned almost immediately (for those of you who remember costaslam2, etc).
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96 was only saved as a year by his thrashing of Chang at the US Open.
I was so badly rooting for Chang to win his 2nd Slam. This was even a better year for him than '89.

I still think of the view of his brother sitting alone, despondent, in the stadium seats long after everyone had gone.

Too bad stupid Alex couldn't take out a vomiting Sampras in that tiebreak
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Re: Pete Sampras: The Most Overrated Player of all time

Pete never had two years like Fed has had these two years. He was never as dominant as Fed has been, that is true. What Fed has done in these past two years can only be compared to a different era when winning 10+ titles was done more often by the top players such as Vilas, Nastase, Connors, Jmac, Lendl.

BUT.....

He had a different approach to things. He knew that Slams were what would cement his legacy and he concentrated on them. He wasn't out to win every tournament like Fed (so far) and Lendl.

If you want to say that the 7 time Wimbledon champion (and it could've been 8 in a row if Richard K. hadn't played an extraordinary match), 5 time US OPen Champ nad 8 time finalist, amazing totals of weeks at #1 and consecutive streaks at #1 is overrated, then go right ahead.
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Re: Pete Sampras: The Most Overrated Player of all time

Actually most of what was written is true and it gives a little bit of perspective. I mean duh, nobody is disputing Sampras' dominance at the slams, I mean how can you? He wasnt even dominant at remaining #1 through out the full 52 weeks. So theres certainly some truth about the issues that were brought up.

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Re: Pete Sampras: The Most Overrated Player of all time

Pete played his entire career with Thalysemia (did I spell that right? I think not), a blood condition that can create fatigue and lack of conditioning. The fact that he was able to achieve what he did under those circumstances is pretty awe-inspiring to me.

As for his match record, Pete said many, many, many times that he was mostly concerned with Slams and maintaining his #1 ranking, not necessarily racking up titles (which might possibly be one of the reasons Andre has more Masters titles). He did what he needed to do to achieve those two goals. What made Pete great is a combination of the way he played the game and his results, not just his results.

Would have been easier for me to respect your argument a little bit more, Vogus, if you had left out the apparently derisive nickname. Your personal problem with Mr Sampras detracts from your argument (to me anyway).

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