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NY Times journalist irked by "Agassi" final

This is an interesting article, although I disagree that MaryC and JMac were "pro Agassi" (DickE, obviously). They were just commentating the match as I think many of us saw it.

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September 13, 2005
Adjectives Tangled in the Net
By RICHARD SANDOMIR
In the third set of the United States Open men's singles final Sunday, CBS's announcers seemed to be forecasting doom for Roger Federer against Andre Agassi.

Maybe, John McEnroe said, Federer's conditioning lagged behind Agassi's, or he couldn't keep pace with Agassi's service returns. Federer was "tight," he was not attacking Agassi's serves. Federer, the 24-year-old Swiss superstar, was off his game, McEnroe said, but Agassi was playing sagaciously, Dick Enberg said.

"Goodness," Enberg said, "we haven't seen Federer this error-prone in a long time." Federer, McEnroe added, "is having transmission problems."

The temptation for Enberg, McEnroe and Mary Carillo was to play the Agassi card.

Agassi, the geezer of the final, the underdog with the bad back, had pumped up CBS's and USA's ratings, so why not ride him like Seabiscuit?

It was an easy position to adopt. Agassi has made the transition from brat to statesman, from Canon rebel to family man, and from longhair to no hair. And while Federer is the superior player and a classy gent, we don't know him quite as well and we didn't watch him mature on court and in commercials.

But Agassi, the Las Vegan, the philanthropist, the workout fiend, the greatest service returner in tennis history, is the better tale.

Who knew if this was his last match, or at least his Grand Slam final finale?

Even as Federer picked up his game, CBS's voices seemed less willing to give him as much love as he deserved. He might have "dialed back into his sweet rhythm" (Carillo), but moments later he "lost a little pop on his serve" (McEnroe).

After Federer came back from 2-4 to tie the set at five games each, McEnroe called him too "conservative," and Carillo said he was still letting Agassi dictate the pace.

A backhand error by Federer then prompted McEnroe to declare: "It's been a long time since I've said this, but Federer's choking." Could he be serious?

Agassi went ahead by 6-5, but even Federer's easy game to push the set to a tie breaker did not fully persuade Enberg, McEnroe and Carillo to diagnose that Agassi, 35, might be tiring, wilting, tightening or even choking. (Later, McEnroe called Agassi "irritated.") Only after Federer's 7-1 tie-breaker victory and the start of his fourth-set dissection of Agassi did some overdue praise start coming - Federer was finally attacking Agassi's serve, he was the game's greatest ball striker and a great guy.

"He played a great three sets," McEnroe said of Agassi, who was behind by 0-4 in the fourth. Yes, Carillo reminded him, "but he only won one of them."

Still, the more effusive praise was for Agassi's effort.

Again, the approach was understandable - an easy, but lopsided, stance to take. Agassi was Jimmy Connors redux, the guy making a surprising run in the face of Federer's greatness and the type of star that networks find irresistible.

Agassi, after all, possessed a 44 Q score among tennis fans, according to a March survey by Marketing Evaluations, the company that puts out such scores.

The Q is a gauge of how well known and well liked a celebrity is, and in the tennis world, Agassi has more Q than anyone but Serena Williams (49) and more than double Federer's 21. But among a broader swath of sports fans less familiar with tennis, Agassi's Q is a 17 and Federer's an 11.

Henry Schafer, the executive vice president of Marketing Evaluations, said: "When it comes to tennis players, they tend to be narrowcasting to their own world. Outside the realm of tennis, they don't transcend their sport."

The "Agassi" final produced a 6.2 preliminary overnight rating, double last year's, when Federer defeated Lleyton Hewitt, underscoring the need for star power like Barbra Streisand's erstwhile Zen master's.

Kim Clijsters's romp over Mary Pierce on Saturday night produced a 3.1 overnight, a 24 percent increase from a year ago. Each overnight rating point equals 761,564 TV households.

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Fox's Saints-Panthers broadcast Sunday produced no rating from the hurricane-ravaged New Orleans market, but it recorded a 10.1 in San Antonio, where the Saints will play three games, and a 4.0 in Houston (where it competed against the Texans-Bills game on CBS), one of the cities where many Gulf Coast evacuees were moved.

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Enberg is the most annoying commentator ever. He doesn't know much at all about tennis, he only serves to yell "OH MY!" after a good point (or one that ends in a foot long error that he thought was good) and to give the score (much of the time, the wrong one).

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Serena has a higher Q than Agassi?

Oh and, Agassi's run was only surprising to people who don't follow tennis, don't understand rankings, and don't realize what a draw is.


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I don't know how you can say they weren't pro Agassi. I knew they would be unless it was a complete blow out like last year. I didn't expect it to be quite as bad as it was because I know both John and Mary are huge fans of Roger. It was quite obvious towards the end that they were disappointed in the outcome. I think it started when Roger took the third set after Andre had been up 4-2.

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The New York Times is always a breath of fresh air in information. It really boasts true to the commercial that holds it as being the how to, where to , when to, all to of News papers in the East coast. Unlike the New York post, they really should get rid of this comical yet uninformative news paper, can you even call it that? There is certainly much more to the New York times than the mere 50 cent increase it boasts against the inferior New York post.

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I didn't think anything about the comments in the latter stages of the 3rd set, but I did think McEnroe/Carillo were suddenly laying it on thick when it was clear in the 4th that Federer was taking it. Was as if McEnroe was trying to make himself feel better watching Agassi lose by putting Federer on a pedestal all of a sudden.
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Re: NY Times journalist irked by "Agassi" final

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I don't know how you can say they weren't pro Agassi. I knew they would be unless it was a complete blow out like last year. I didn't expect it to be quite as bad as it was because I know both John and Mary are huge fans of Roger. It was quite obvious towards the end that they were disappointed in the outcome. I think it started when Roger took the third set after Andre had been up 4-2.
Well, my own opinion is that JMac really doesn't like Agassi (who was the person who thwarted JMac's 02 Wimbledon run?). Neither does PMac, for other reasons.

JMac likes competition though, and wanted a 5 set classic, not a almost-bagel 4th set after a good 3 sets.
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JMac is one of the few American tennis commentators that isn't completely xenophobic. They've even sucked Cliffy into their "rah-rah"-Americanism.

JMac makes it quite clear that Nadal is his favorite player.


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The New York Times is always a breath of fresh air in information. It really boasts true to the commercial that holds it as being the how to, where to , when to, all to of News papers in the East coast. Unlike the New York post, they really should get rid of this comical yet uninformative news paper, can you even call it that? There is certainly much more to the New York times than the mere 50 cent increase it boasts against the inferior New York post.

Nice article thanks for posting it!
No problem with posting. I have to disagree in that the editors did a shit job of hyping the US Open 2-time champ right after he won. These pro-Roger columns are just being printed for Tuesday's paper, like some angry readers called in wondering what was up.

BTW, NY Times is really a national paper. I'm not a native New Yorker, but know enough that the people here think of the Daily News and Post as the local papers.
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Well, my own opinion is that JMac really doesn't like Agassi (who was the person who thwarted JMac's 02 Wimbledon run?). Neither does PMac, for other reasons.

JMac likes competition though, and wanted a 5 set classic, not a almost-bagel 4th set after a good 3 sets.
Oh please, they've been proping up Agassi all summer. With the exception of the finals he played against Rafa and Roger he was always the clear favorite according to the commentators. Where do you get the idea that JMac and PMac don't like Agassi? I certainly haven't gotten that impression watching his matches on tv this summer.

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JMac is one of the few American tennis commentators that isn't completely xenophobic. They've even sucked Cliffy into their "rah-rah"-Americanism.

JMac makes it quite clear that Nadal is his favorite player.
So true. He also thinks of Hewitt as his incarnate (albeit a much softer version). He really was getting upset with those foot fault calls on Hewitt. I thought he was going to jump out of the commentators box and start arguing with the ump
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No problem with posting. I have to disagree in that the editors did a shit job of hyping the US Open 2-time champ right after he won. These pro-Roger columns are just being printed for Tuesday's paper, like some angry readers called in wondering what was up.

BTW, NY Times is really a national paper. I'm not a native New Yorker, but know enough that the people here think of the Daily News and Post as the local papers.
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Oh please, they've been proping up Agassi all summer. With the exception of the finals he played against Rafa and Roger he was always the clear favorite according to the commentators. Where do you get the idea that JMac and PMac don't like Agassi? I certainly haven't gotten that impression watching his matches on tv this summer.
JMac hasn't liked Agassi since they both were on tour together. Like I said about the '92 Wimbledon, among other matches. He says the obvious nice things you're supposed to say about Agassi, but he doesn't "rah rah" over him like, say Nadal, or how MaryC "rah rahs" Roger ("watching Roger is like watching music").

PMac doesn't like Agassi for not being on DC.
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PMac doesn't like AA for not being on DC.

You're simply wrong - Agassi played on the latest DC.

I listened to almost the entire match on mute 'cuz I knew they'd be all AA all the time. Just like @Wimby finals they're all AR; in Paris last yr. they were -JMac was - 100% for Gaudio. I can't listen to it, so I Always Mute them. There is no "home team" in tennis. To assume that someone wants AR to beat Roger @Wimby just 'cuz they're American is absurd. They should be reasonably neutral.
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Enberg is the most annoying commentator ever. He doesn't know much at all about tennis, he only serves to yell "OH MY!" after a good point (or one that ends in a foot long error that he thought was good) and to give the score (much of the time, the wrong one).

Get rid of him, thanks.
In addition to Enberg's cluelessness about tennis and his annoying habit of talking nonsense not only between points but continuing on after points start (usually the most important ones), he showed how truly idiotic he is when he interviewed Kim during the trophy presentation. She said something about coming back after her injury and Enberg asked her where she was last year during the Open. HELLO ... she was in at Flushing Meadow sitting in her ex-fiance's box. Talk about an awkward moment.

If I were a betting person, I'd lay odds that the reason Enberg isn't gone is he threatened to bring an age discrimination lawsuit and the networks kept him on because they didn't want the bad publicity. But if he ever did sue and the case went to trial, all the defense lawyers would have to do is play tapes of Sunday's final and the jury would return a complete defense verdict.

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