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all of Agassi's Grand Slam finals wins came against 2nd/3rd Tier opponents

Clement, Medvedev, Ivanisevic, Schuettler, Martin, Stich. Of course he beat Sampras once in the AO, but Sampras never gave a shit about the Australian Open anyways.

And today, Agassi choked again in a GS final just like he choked those 4 times against Sampras. He was in a great position to win the match, he really was doing everything right, playing perfect tactics against Feds, about to go up two sets to one, at 4-2, 30-0 on his own serve in the 3rd set. But he let it slip, and the opportunity dried up so fast it was like it had never even been there.
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Re: all of Agassi's Grand Slam finals wins came against 2nd/3rd Tier opponents

it wasn't agassi's fault that most of his opponents in the slams he won were not of sampras-caliber.

but hey, if you went back to the 2003 AO (vs rainer), he was so prepared that i think even if he went up with sampras that time, he'll win...
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Re: all of Agassi's Grand Slam finals wins came against 2nd/3rd Tier opponents

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Clement, Medvedev, Ivanisevic, Schuettler, Martin, Stich. Of course he beat Sampras once in the AO, but Sampras never gave a shit about the Australian Open anyways.
and who was really top tier between 1995 and 2005? Becker and Edberg had retired.. no one else from that era aside from Pete and Andre have distinguished themselves with 5 or more GS titles.

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Sampras never gave a shit about the Australian Open anyways.
Why did he win it twice then if he didn't give a shit?

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Re: all of Agassi's Grand Slam finals wins came against 2nd/3rd Tier opponents

OK, stop adding insult to injury and give the man some credit.



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Why did he win it twice then if he didn't give a shit?
Cuz he was too good on any surface aside from clay. He could win it even if he didn't give a shiz. Imagine if he cared about it like he cared about Wimbledon and the U.S Open. He wouldn't be holding 14 slams, he'd be holding like 17-18.
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Cuz he was too good on any surface aside from clay. He could win it even if he didn't give a shiz. Imagine if he cared about it like he cared about Wimbledon and the U.S Open. He wouldn't be holding 14 slams, he'd be holding like 17-18.
The sticky courts were more suited to baseliners than Pete's serve and volley style of play, hence less AO titles. Of course he cared about the tournament.

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In '92 when he won Wimbledon, his first major he had to beat Boris Becker (5) QF, John McEnroe (30)SF, and Goran Ivanisevic (8) F to win that title.

In '94 he played Stich, Michael (4) in the USOpen final and won.

All of those guys were top tier players except for McEnroe at the time. Stich was ranked #4 so how could you say he wasn't top tier? Also Andre beat Pete twice in AO finals. He also beat Pete at Indian Wells, and Miami.

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Re: all of Agassi's Grand Slam finals wins came against 2nd/3rd Tier opponents

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Clement, Medvedev, Ivanisevic, Schuettler, Martin, Stich. Of course he beat Sampras once in the AO, but Sampras never gave a shit about the Australian Open anyways.

And today, Agassi choked again in a GS final just like he choked those 4 times against Sampras. He was in a great position to win the match, he really was doing everything right, playing perfect tactics against Feds, about to go up two sets to one, at 4-2, 30-0 on his own serve in the 3rd set. But he let it slip, and the opportunity dried up so fast it was like it had never even been there.
Foul mouthed, saying Agass choked.

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the people that sit there looking at scoreboards are full of shit, you have no idea what it takes to win a point, have some fucking respect, an actual real life sport is played with a billion variables, it's not an online scoreboard with numbers flashing.
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Re: all of Agassi's Grand Slam finals wins came against 2nd/3rd Tier opponents

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Clement, Medvedev, Ivanisevic, Schuettler, Martin, Stich. Of course he beat Sampras once in the AO, but Sampras never gave a shit about the Australian Open anyways.

And today, Agassi choked again in a GS final just like he choked those 4 times against Sampras. He was in a great position to win the match, he really was doing everything right, playing perfect tactics against Feds, about to go up two sets to one, at 4-2, 30-0 on his own serve in the 3rd set. But he let it slip, and the opportunity dried up so fast it was like it had never even been there.
Agassi did not choke this match. Get that into your head first before creating an idiotic thread like this.

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Re: all of Agassi's Grand Slam finals wins came against 2nd/3rd Tier opponents

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Clement, Medvedev, Ivanisevic, Schuettler, Martin, Stich. Of course he beat Sampras once in the AO, but Sampras never gave a shit about the Australian Open anyways.

And today, Agassi choked again in a GS final just like he choked those 4 times against Sampras. He was in a great position to win the match, he really was doing everything right, playing perfect tactics against Feds, about to go up two sets to one, at 4-2, 30-0 on his own serve in the 3rd set. But he let it slip, and the opportunity dried up so fast it was like it had never even been there.
What about Kafelnikov, who he beat in the 2000 AO final? 2 grand slam titles - is he a "2nd/3rd tier" player? If you're going to call Ivanisevic, Martin and Stich "2nd/3rd tier" players then lets have a look at Sampras's final opponents. Pioline twice, Ivanisevic twice, Martin, Chang, Moya, Courier, Rafter. I guess Sampras mostly beat "2nd/3rd tier" players too.

"Sampras never gave a shit about the Australian Open anyways"
Hmm.. well, it is ONLY a Grand Slam, which he won twice btw. Maybe you're right. In fact, I think he lost to Andre on purpose because he didn't want to have to carry a heavy trophy with him on his way back from Australia.
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The sticky courts were more suited to baseliners than Pete's serve and volley style of play, hence less AO titles. Of course he cared about the tournament.

he didnt care about it nearly as much as he cared about Wimby and the USO. The Aussy Open is the bastard stepchild of the 4 grand slams and Sampras was well aware that people would remember his performances at the other three Slams much more. It's no coincidence that 4 of Agassi's GS titles came at the least important Slam, the AO.
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he didnt care about it nearly as much as he cared about Wimby and the USO. The Aussy Open is the bastard stepchild of the 4 grand slams and Sampras was well aware that people would remember his performances at the other three Slams much more. It's no coincidence that 4 of Agassi's GS titles came at the least important Slam, the AO.
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