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Federer- Agassi stats

Here is an update for these 2 players so far at the open .


[CENTER Federer Agassi


w/ue's 1.79:1 1.32:1

w/g 1.39:1 1.04:1

e/g 0.775:1 0.79:1

%1st serve 0.634:1 0.638:1

% pts won on 1st serve 0.768:1 0.734:1

% pts won on 2nd serve 0.543:1 0.55:1

% of receiving pts won 0.436:1 0.37:1
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Re: Federer- Agassi stats

I'd like to see their R16, QF and SF stats only.

Including BP converted/BP total

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Re: Federer- Agassi stats

here are the stats for their last 3 matches . I will also include break points converted .

Federer

w/ue's 1.43:1

w/g 1.21:1

e/g 0.845:1

%1st serve 59 %

% pts won on first serve 71.6 %

% pts won on 2nd serve 57%

% of receiving pts won 43%

break pts converted 16/37= 0.432

Agassi

w/ue's 1.07:1

w/g 0.98:1

e/g 0.91:1

% 1st serve 62 %

% pts won on 1st serve 72%

% pts won on 2nd serve 50 %

% of receiving pts won 36.8 %

break pts converted 18/38= 0.47
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Re: Federer- Agassi stats

Can I ask one thing? A lot of these stats depend on who they played.

For instance, what hewitt hits as an ace against Jarkoo would not be an ace against andre. So, these stats will tell us .... what? How they have played against other players with different styles, ability and approach. Having 50 break chances against a less good player and converting on 20 of those, what does it say? That you will get those chances against less good player and you will convert more because he is less good.

One might say that First Serve % does not depend on opponent. But in some sense it does because, as an example, Pete was well know to go for more on his serves against andre than any other player. Players change their games ever so slightly perhaps, but they do for the particular opponent
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Re: Federer- Agassi stats

That is definitely true for the most opponent . These stats highly depend on the calibre of opponents assuming both players faced players with equal playing ability . For instance , perhaps Agassi's opponents were overall slightly better than Rogers but for the most part , these stats indicate that Roger hits more winners per game than Agassi and is overall better than Agassi in just about every category . Howerver , there are many things you have to factor into the equation that isn't so tangible or easy to compute on paper . Some players just match up well against others , regardless of the stats and so it's often important to look at their head to head records as well .
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Re: Federer- Agassi stats

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Can I ask one thing? A lot of these stats depend on who they played.

No, stats help to put things you saw transpire on the court, in another perspective.

Agassi's 1st serve can't be in the 50's against Federer. He can't begin to afford to have twice as many backhand-UE than backhand-winners.

In addition to playing very cleanly, Andre also needs Federer to have an OFF DAY himself with his 1st serve and backhand.


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Re: Federer- Agassi stats

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No, stats help to put things you saw transpire on the court, in another perspective.

Agassi's 1st serve can't be in the 50's against Federer. He can't begin to afford to have twice as many backhand-UE than backhand-winners.

In addition to play very cleanly, Andre also needs Federer to have an OFF DAY himself with his 1st serve and backhand.


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But he hit in 50s in different cnoditions, against a different opponent (who he maybe took more lightly than Roge). It can tell us about THAT match, but what is it going to tell us about his game today, against another player, for whom he needs different strategies? Or are you saying, you only asked to see better about that match and other matches that have finished, not so much for projection to the next match/?

You have asked earlier for break conversion. But this is not going to help here. If he is breaking malisse and blake, that is because the opportunities present themselves by malisse and blake. But this cannot tell us how he will try to up his agreesion to try harder to break against Roge, no?
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But he hit in 50s in different cnoditions, against a different opponent (who he maybe took more lightly than Roge). It can tell us about THAT match, but what is it going to tell us about his game today, against another player, for whom he needs different strategies? Or are you saying, you only asked to see better about that match and other matches that have finished, not so much for projection to the next match/?

You have asked earlier for break conversion. But this is not going to help here. If he is breaking malisse and blake, that is because the opportunities present themselves by malisse and blake. But this cannot tell us how he will try to up his agreesion to try harder to break against Roge, no?


The "taking lightly" thing just doesn't make sense if you know Agassi. If anything, playing against "easier" opponents, especially when up 2-0 or 2-1 in sets should make on more COMFORTABLE/LOOSER/LESS LIKELY TO GO FOR AN ACE, which, if anything, should INCREASE the 1st serve %, not decrease it.

Likewise, if Andre's supposedly-very good backhand is NOT working against "lesser" opponents, what makes you think it will magically appear against Federer? If you were an Agassi fan, I'd dismiss you as a 'homer' if you said something like that.

The break point thing can also be telling when it comes big-hitter he's played like Karlovic, Blake, Malisse, etc. If he were converting an unusually high % of them, then you can say "hey, unless his opponents are choking on big points, Andre must be doing something right when he needs to".... Conversely, if he has a low BP conversion against guys like Ginperi, especially on 2nd serves, then it's safe to say he's getting tight or too reckless on critical points.

Stats by themselves may not tell you much. But watching the match and then looking over certain stats to support/disprove your first-hand impression, that I can understand.

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Re: Federer- Agassi stats

Btw, does anyone have the Final stats? Preferrably on set-by-set basis because the one-sided 4th set may skew the overall numbers.

Also, if possible, broken down for Forehand and Backhand W/UE...

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Re: Federer- Agassi stats

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Btw, does anyone have the Final stats? Preferrably on set-by-set basis because the one-sided 4th set may skew the overall numbers.

Also, if possible, broken down for Forehand and Backhand W/UE...

Thanks.
Here they are, set by set(click on any number of the set to see that set's score)

But not broken down by the FH and the BH

http://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/s...20/1701ms.html
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