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When was the last time the big names got bageled?

Federer?
Roddick- Vs. Federer in Bangkok final last year
Nadal?
Hewitt- Vs. Federer at the US Open last year?
Safin?
Coria?
Gaudio?
Agassi?


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Re: When was the last time the big names got bageled?

I think Nadal was bagelled by Gaudio in South America. I think Gaudio was bagelled by Nadal in the same match

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Re: When was the last time the big names got bageled?

That's the last time I remember Nadal being bagelled, but Gaudio has been since then... by Nadal. I think.

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Re: When was the last time the big names got bageled?

Federer - first ever Slam match v Rafter, RG 99. Lost 7-5, 0-6, 3-6, 2-6. I think his other bagel was a few weeks before against Vinny Ice in Monte Carlo, where he lost 6 and 0.

Coria by Fat Dave at the AO this year? 6-0 in the fourth, I believe.

Agassi's was of course against Nieminen at RG this year, but that had an awful lot to do with his back injury.

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ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

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Re: When was the last time the big names got bageled?

did you catch the federer-nalbandian match?
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Re: When was the last time the big names got bageled?

Yes, and before you say anything else, Nalbandian was below par it seemed to me. Mind you, Federer was more solid in the rallies than I was expecting.

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ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
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Yes, and before you say anything else, Nalbandian was below par it seemed to me. Mind you, Federer was more solid in the rallies than I was expecting.
i made the point when we were chatting about it before the match though...
nalbandian is often below par.
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Re: When was the last time the big names got bageled?

But rarely against Federer - that TMC match seemed like an aberration to me, and it's worth pointing out that his performance here was nowhere near as bad as that. The big difference is that Federer is a lot more disciplined on Naba's service games than he used to be in the past. Nalbandian could throw his serve away before back in 2003 and still win the match, because he then could break Federer in response and Federer would get frustrated and eventually make no headway on Dave's serve. Now, he makes him play on a consistent basis and with Federer making fewer errors in the rallies, Nalbandian struggles to find ways to establish a winning tactic.

The Wit and Wisdom of the Tennis Journalist, Indian Wells 2004

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
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But rarely against Federer - that TMC match seemed like an aberration to me, and it's worth pointing out that his performance here was nowhere near as bad as that. The big difference is that Federer is a lot more disciplined on Naba's service games than he used to be in the past. Nalbandian could throw his serve away before back in 2003 and still win the match, because he then could break Federer in response and Federer would get frustrated and eventually make no headway on Dave's serve. Now, he makes him play on a consistent basis and with Federer making fewer errors in the rallies, Nalbandian struggles to find ways to establish a winning tactic.
that's the point. federer is much better than he used to be, specifically mentally. nalbandian has not improved at all!
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Re: When was the last time the big names got bageled?

Yep. I wasn't convinced of that until Thursday night, though, just because they haven't matched up against each other on court for so long now. I still feel Federer has to walk a tightrope in the rallies, Petch pointed out he couldn't give Nalbandian too much pace to feed off and instead he had to just get the ball back with little pace on it, often times doing all the retrieving, and either wait for a Naba UE or else goad him into dropping the ball short so Federer could suddenly accelerate to hit the winner. It's certainly a play he hasn't had to use against most other opponents.

The Wit and Wisdom of the Tennis Journalist, Indian Wells 2004

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
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Re: When was the last time the big names got bageled?

And what's with Safin?

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Re: When was the last time the big names got bageled?

Ginepri, 2003 IW. But again, the food poisoning he had there played a factor in that score.

The Wit and Wisdom of the Tennis Journalist, Indian Wells 2004

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
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Re: When was the last time the big names got bageled?

Another interesting question is, which of the newcomers didn't get bageled in their first year on tour...?

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Yep. I wasn't convinced of that until Thursday night, though, just because they haven't matched up against each other on court for so long now. I still feel Federer has to walk a tightrope in the rallies, Petch pointed out he couldn't give Nalbandian too much pace to feed off and instead he had to just get the ball back with little pace on it, often times doing all the retrieving, and either wait for a Naba UE or else goad him into dropping the ball short so Federer could suddenly accelerate to hit the winner. It's certainly a play he hasn't had to use against most other opponents.
the issue is he can find a way to beat people, and he will continue to dominate against nalbandian from here on in i think. to be fair he has already won their last 3 meetings, losing only one set in the process.

federer will have much bigger challengers in the upcoming years than nalbandian, who has too many big weaknesses...
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Spadea bageled Fed? :-0
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