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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 09-06-2005, 07:45 PM Thread Starter
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Is winning Grand Slams the only thing that creates a true legacy in tennis?

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Re: Is winning Grand Slams the only thing that creates a true legacy in tennis?

Winning Slams, perhaps unfortunately, is today the main criteria as to who is a great player. I would agree that winning Slams are very important to a player^s legacy. If a player wins none or only one, I would not call him a great player. For me, to be considered a great player one should have won at least 20 tournaments which include 4 slams on at least two different surfaces. There has to be some measure of greatness to be eligible to be in the tennis HOF. For me, there are too many one slam wonders now in the HOF.
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Re: Is winning Grand Slams the only thing that creates a true legacy in tennis?

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Why unfortunately? Tennis players are actually quite lucky (comparing to some other sports) to have 4 chances every year to make history.
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Re: Is winning Grand Slams the only thing that creates a true legacy in tennis?

Not really. Whilst most fans seem to think regular Tour titles as meaningless, things like career high ranking, weeks as #1 etc are also very important.
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Not really. Whilst most fans seem to think regular Tour titles as meaningless, things like career high ranking, weeks as #1 etc are also very important.
Those are no more than a tiebreakers.. Rank in terms of legacy Rafter, Kafelnikov, Muster and Chang..

First and foremost anyone would say that Rafter&Kafelnikov>Muster&Chang.. Simply because 2>1. After that you can use those tiebreakers - like what kind of Slams they won, #1s, YECs, Davis Cups, titles, years in Top 10, doubles career, Olympics, etc. All of that will be hugely secondary after number of GSs won..
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Those are no more than a tiebreakers.. Rank in terms of legacy Rafter, Kafelnikov, Muster and Chang..

First and foremost anyone would say that Rafter&Kafelnikov>Muster&Chang.. Simply because 2>1. After that you can use those tiebreakers - like what kind of Slams they won, #1s, YECs, Davis Cups, titles, years in Top 10, doubles career, Olympics, etc. All of that will be hugely secondary after number of GSs won..
Only to people who just look at numbers as a way to measure status and wealth. I'd put Marcelo Rios above all of them, simply on his amazing play and wide talent.

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Only to people who just look at numbers as a way to measure status and wealth. I'd put Marcelo Rios above all of them, simply on his amazing play and wide talent.
If only anyone would remember him in 5 years time.. Talking with Chilean fans at the Open was kind of funny "Fernando and Nicholas are wonderful players and the pride of Chile" "What about Marcelo?" "Marcelo? Marcelo? Ugh.. Ogh.. Oh yeah, yeah, Marcelo"..
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Re: Is winning Grand Slams the only thing that creates a true legacy in tennis?

Chang only won one Slam but has a shitload of Grade A titles. He will always be known as a great champion.

Rios will also be remembered as a great player.
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Re: Is winning Grand Slams the only thing that creates a true legacy in tennis?

No, the highest ranking is very important as well, and Davis Cup (not really my thing).
And real fans of tennis remember as well exceptional talent even if this one didn't translate to grand slam success. For these see Mecir, Rios, Leconte, etc...
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Rios will also be remembered as a great player.
He won't be remembered at all, only by tennis fanatics.

Career high ranking, huh? WTF cares The (flawed) ranking system is there to make entry list and to know who's going to be seeded. It has nothing to do with tennis legacy.

"Real" tennis fans will remember basically almost every player who entered a Slam in his career. That hardly means all those players are "great".

C'mon, this is a no brainer, I'll start to think MTF deserved to be trolled by ys if some people think there's something else than Slams that makes a true legacy in tennis.
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Re: Is winning Grand Slams the only thing that creates a true legacy in tennis?

one's who voted NO
either deluded or have no clue what so ever

Slams is the ONLY thing that matters in tennis

everything else is just a bit-part.
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I'm sure that's why Sampras - who won more Slams than any other man - considered his #1 record so important. But hey, what did he know...
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Re: Is winning Grand Slams the only thing that creates a true legacy in tennis?

In the modern game, it's the only fair way of creating a player's legacy because there's 1 grass, 2 hard and 1 clay slam. But the smaller tournaments are about 50% hard courts, 45% clay and 5% grass courts. So, if you count the number of weeks as world no.1 or the number of titles, you get the best hard and clay court players. Grass court players are at a disadvantage in terms of Masters Series titles and ranking points.
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Re: Is winning Grand Slams the only thing that creates a true legacy in tennis?

Slams are the only thing that matter in tennis indeed

I miss: Ivan Lendl, Korda, Novak, Bruguera, Rios, Kucera, Courier, Mantilla, Costa, Santoro and Ferreira.

Good luck to:

Gaudio, Murray, Florian Mayer, Chela, Nalbandian, Radek Stepanek, Volandri, Youzhny and Verdasco.

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Re: Is winning Grand Slams the only thing that creates a true legacy in tennis?

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In the modern game, it's the only fair way of creating a player's legacy because there's 1 grass, 2 hard and 1 clay slam. But the smaller tournaments are about 50% hard courts, 45% clay and 5% grass courts. So, if you count the number of weeks as world no.1 or the number of titles, you get the best hard and clay court players. Grass court players are at a disadvantage in terms of Masters Series titles and ranking points.
...which is bad because...?
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