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Safin and Roddick: What's the difference why only one has the best bet against fed?

Safin and Roddick:

both have booming serves, powerful ground strokes, great court coverage, yet safin was deemed to have the best chance against fedex if his head is straight, that s.

so what does roddick doesn't have that safin does?

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Re: Safin and Roddick: What's the difference why only one has the best bet against fed?

safin has...

backhand
better returns
less fear
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Re: Safin and Roddick: What's the difference why only one has the best bet against fed?

Safin at his best is probably the most talented player on tour - possibly even better than Federer. He has a very complete game as well as power. Roddick is immeasurably more consistent but just doesn't have the utter brilliance Safin can produce once in a while.

I think Safin's inconsistency actually works for him in this case because Federer doesn't play him as often as say Roddick or Hewitt and therefore hasn't has the same chance to master his game

I also completely agree with the fear factor

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To put it simply: Safin has game and Andy.....doesn't. Safin has perhaps the most technically proficient backhand on tour and enormous power off of both wings which he can smartly channel when his head is straight. His serve is better than Andy's against the top echelon of players(top ten) because of its superior placement(Safin also has a tremendous kick second serve which is better than Andy's). Safin has natural net instincts and a very solid transition game which allows him to finish points much better. Even physically Safin is better. He is taller and has a longer reach than Andy while also being a faster and better mover. He is also stronger than Andy. We could write a paper on all the things that make Marat better but I am too lazy to go on.
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Re: Safin and Roddick: What's the difference why only one has the best bet against fed?

Safin is a better (and more aggressive) returner, his technique is more solid off both wings, he has a penetrating backhand, he has more compact strokes and plays closer to the baseline (both of which mean he takes away a lot of Federer's time), he has a flatter and therefore more penetrating hit, and judging by their AO match this year he knows when to come into the net at the right moment behind a quality approach shot.

That said, Federer's record against him is still a very favourable one; I don't want to sound dismissive of a guy as talented as Safin, but one win from matchpoint down where his fighting qualities, more than his superb tennis, got him over the line doesn't necessarily prove that he has the ability to beat Federer on a consistent basis. And as regards less fear, the fact that it took him seven matchpoints and two breaks of the Federer serve to finally win that SF match, having blown a 5-2 lead in the decider (plus a number of tight errors on his setpoint chances at the TMC last year), shows that he feels the pressure of facing Federer just as much as Roddick.

The Wit and Wisdom of the Tennis Journalist, Indian Wells 2004

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
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Re: Safin and Roddick: What's the difference why only one has the best bet against fed?

Roddick sucks

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Re: Safin and Roddick: What's the difference why only one has the best bet against fed?

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Safin is a better (and more aggressive) returner, his technique is more solid off both wings, he has a penetrating backhand, he has more compact strokes and plays closer to the baseline (both of which mean he takes away a lot of Federer's time), he has a flatter and therefore more penetrating hit, and judging by their AO match this year he knows when to come into the net at the right moment behind a quality approach shot.

That said, Federer's record against him is still a very favourable one; I don't want to sound dismissive of a guy as talented as Safin, but one win from matchpoint down where his fighting qualities, more than his superb tennis, got him over the line doesn't necessarily prove that he has the ability to beat Federer on a consistent basis. And as regards less fear, the fact that it took him seven matchpoints and two breaks of the Federer serve to finally win that SF match, having blown a 5-2 lead in the decider (plus a number of tight errors on his setpoint chances at the TMC last year), shows that he feels the pressure of facing Federer just as much as Roddick.
maybe. but he still won. having watched it, i think their match at the end of year masters in 2004 gave him the belief that he could compete with federer. further evidence of this is the tough fight he put up against federer at halle this year. i honestly think safin backs himself against anyone when he is in the mood. deep down, roddick would never back himself against federer. there is evidence of that in his interviews everytime he loses to him. in my opinion....

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Re: Safin and Roddick: What's the difference why only one has the best bet against fed?

Oh yes, I'm not questioning his fight and determination - I would say the biggest thing that won him the AO match was not any particular tactic on the court, but perseverance, even when he was a game away from defeat in the fourth set, then down in the TB and Federer was very close to putting the match away. He stuck with him the whole time, kept on putting doubts into his mind with massive groundies, and got his due reward. I'm just saying there was a certain amount of fear there, it doesn't necessarily have to translate into a loss of course.

Roddick is still yet to win that really big match against Federer (although the Montreal victory was fairly big, considering it denied Federer the no. 1 spot and gave Roddick the added confidence to go on a 19-match winning streak in the big events). I would say that seeing your game constantly proving inadequate and being outplayed every time you meet isn't going to do wonders for your self-belief against another player.

The Wit and Wisdom of the Tennis Journalist, Indian Wells 2004

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
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Re: Safin and Roddick: What's the difference why only one has the best bet against fed?

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Roddick sucks
You wouldn't say he was the suckiest player who ever sucked in the history of suckiness, would you?

The Wit and Wisdom of the Tennis Journalist, Indian Wells 2004

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
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Re: Safin and Roddick: What's the difference why only one has the best bet against fed?

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I would say that seeing your game constantly proving inadequate and being outplayed every time you meet isn't going to do wonders for your self-belief against another player.
yes! we have all experienced the same thing against someone at something. i play somebody at american pool. this guy almost always beats me. when we play i feel confident and think i can win but i dont expect to win. thats the key thing i think. by his own admission, federer expects to win every match he plays. i'm not sure anyone out there at the moment expects to beat federer, except maybe nadal on clay...
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Re: Safin and Roddick: What's the difference why only one has the best bet against fed?

great points.

it makes me feel bad for safin to not reaching his full potential due to his lack of discipline. we would be treated to a agassi-sampras like rivalry with him and fed had he only kept his head straight consistently.

i think to put it simply, safin can dictate points better than andy. andy, despite his power, is more of being reactive on court, grinding it out, while safin is proactive.
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I think when Safin is healthy and his head is in the game he can beat anyone, Fed included. He's already pulled out so we won't see him. I hope he takes the time and comes back healthy and rested in January.
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Re: Safin and Roddick: What's the difference why only one has the best bet against fed?

I agree with most in saying that Safin is more naturally talented than Roddick. But Roddick leads their h2h, and has beaten Safin the last three times they played. You guys have to give Roddick credit for something at some point.

I'm not a Roddick fan but I sometimes get tired of how much people dismiss him here. He's not as talented as Safin, but there's a lot to be said for being consistent rather than showing flashes of brilliance while underachieving for the better part of a tennis career.

And for the record, I like Marat.
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Re: Safin and Roddick: What's the difference why only one has the best bet against fed?

safin is overated and isnt as great as people make him out to be. for sure he is the best bet against federer, but no one can live with federer when he is at his best.
safin is and always will be a waste of talent

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safin is overated and isnt as great as people make him out to be. for sure he is the best bet against federer, but no one can live with federer when he is at his best.
safin is and always will be a waste of talent
harsh words when describing a man at the top of the game with 2 slams already...
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