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Gasquet, Monfils, Murray, Baghdatis 659 60.74%
Berdych, Verdasco, Djokovic, del Potro 426 39.26%
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post #1 of 1610 (permalink) Old 08-19-2005, 07:31 AM Thread Starter
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Which group of 4 youngsters has more potential and why?

This came about from another conversation in another thread. Basically the question is which group out of the 4 respective players has the more potential and will be the most successful in the future, so it's not just about immediacy or recency effect.

As for success that would mean GS titles and TMC/TMS titles.

I decided grouping them would be easier than labelling them.

Gasquet, Monfils, Murray, Baghdatis
Berdych, Verdasco, Djokovic, del Potro

GS records since this thread was started.


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Group A

Gasquet (FRA)	37-20
Monfils (FRA)	47-21
Murray (SCO)	76-23
Baghdatis (CYP)	39-22


Total:		199-86

Group B

Berdych (CZE)	58-26
Verdasco (ESP)	62-26
Djokovic (SRB)	110-22
Del Potro (ARG)	41-18


Total:		271-92

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1

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Re: Which group of 4 youngsters has more potential and why?

Is there a reason why you put them in a particular group?
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Is there a reason why you put them in a particular group?
A very clear and obvious reason actually. I could have swapped del Potro and Baghdatis around, but chose not to.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: Which group of 4 youngsters has more potential and why?

I got it but it was Baghdatis I didn't understand.
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I got it but it was Baghdatis I didn't understand.
What don't you understand about Baghdatis?

You haven't actually answered the original thread question.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: Which group of 4 youngsters has more potential and why?

It's a good thread to bump into in 3 or 4 years. It's too hard to make predictions for youngster and the biggest chance is that some of each group succeed and the other not obviously but it's a good poll.
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What don't you understand about Baghdatis?

You haven't actually answered the original thread question.
Baghdatis is not really hyped. He doesn't get media coverage, WCs, etc...
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Baghdatis is not really hyped. He doesn't get media coverage, WCs, etc...
What and Djokovic is?

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: Which group of 4 youngsters has more potential and why?

I will vote for the first group, but Djokovic and Del Potro have huge potential.

Gasquet, Monfils, Djokovic and Del Potro have the potential to win Grand Slam IMO, the other not.
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What and Djokovic is?
No, but he's in your second group.
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No, but he's in your second group.
I am not going to explain the reasons why I put Djokovic there and they are clear as to why I did.

As the groups are mixed you can't mix and match, and there will be others in that 8 who don't win Slams, yet will have some good results, it's a just a question of who will have more of them.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: Which group of 4 youngsters has more potential and why?

The reasons are clear to you, but you should a poll to know if they are clear to everybody.

I see the first group as the group of players who get media coverage, hype, and wild cards, and I just don't get why Baghdatis is in it. The problem is not where you put Djokovic but Baghdatis.
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Re: Which group of 4 youngsters has more potential and why?

Plus Verdasco is a bit "old" compared to the other, just one year younger than Roddick. Ancic is younger no?
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Re: Which group of 4 youngsters has more potential and why?

Group B hands down.

Monfils is all about power without brain, Gasquet is the best from those 3, but he still needs to improve his 12 year-old fitness and Murray is nothing. Baghdatis, not my cup of tea, I prefer other heavy-hitters.

Verdasco has one of the biggest potential to my eyes, I´ve talked about him many times, if he takes more seriously his career he should be a top 10 with ease, similar goes to Berdych, a guy that can play in all surfaces with one of the best fh´s in the game, Djokovic, has all the shots, he returns the ball with incredible ease, huge natural talent. Del Potro, I can´t say nothing, still haven´t seen him.

PD: All Verdasco, Berdych and Djokovic have potential to win GS. In Group A I only can see Gasquet winning sth big but he still have to improve that weak fitness to achieve it


Edited: Some corrections to my former views:

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Re: Which group of 4 youngsters has more potential and why?

Most of the people that voted for Group A..did it because of the names and not talent.

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