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Red face I couldn't have been more wrong about Nadal.

I said he would not win a hardcourt title this year and was soundly proven wrong this week. He was in great form and translated his game and skills seamlessly. He is a USO contender for sure.
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Dirk, in your stubborn devotion to federer, it is admirable that you have the decency to admit you were wrong about nadal.

Nadal thoroughly deserved his title although I will remain a tad skeptical until he takes out at least one of the three musketeers on HC.

I would still be shocked if he won the USO.
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Re: I couldn't have been more wrong about Nadal.

If you had told me after RG that he would win Montreal too, I might have thought that was being a touch hopeful. I wouldn't write him off either, though.

He's been damn impressive, at least that can't be denied anymore. Well, Wimbledon aside

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I don't think you were the only one who underestimated him Dirk. I knew he could play on most surfaces but never thought he could win a Masters HC title, well not this year anyway.
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Props to Dirk. NOt too many other posters would admit to being wrong. The fact of the matter is that from a historical point of view, one wouldn't think that Nadal's game would translate well to hardcourts. But Nadal is just a different animal. Not only does he get to every ball hit onto his side of the court, he gets it back over to the other side to at least a neutral position so there is no easy put aways. This is what gave Federer so much trouble in Miami. Then you have to admire how Nadal has tweaked his game for the hardcourts. He is hitting that lefty serve out wide beautifully and then taking the ball earlier and hitting it DTL. He is hitting this inside-out BH DTL wonderfully to finish off rallies. He only really needs to improve his volleys, return of serve and maybe put some more pop on his serve for more cheapie points. As it is, Nadal only lost two games on his serve the entire tournament because nobody could hit the ball past him and he controlled at least 75% of all the rallies. Agassi hit some really good shots consistently that would break down just about anyone else but he couldn't finish the points. He just coudln't get it past Nadal.
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Props to Dirk. NOt too many other posters would admit to being wrong. The fact of the matter is that from a historical point of view, one wouldn't think that Nadal's game would translate well to hardcourts. But Nadal is just a different animal. Not only does he get to every ball hit onto his side of the court, he gets it back over to the other side to at least a neutral position so there is no easy put aways. This is what gave Federer so much trouble in Miami. Then you have to admire how Nadal has tweaked his game for the hardcourts. He is hitting that lefty serve out wide beautifully and then taking the ball earlier and hitting it DTL. He is hitting this inside-out BH DTL wonderfully to finish off rallies. He only really needs to improve his volleys, return of serve and maybe put some more pop on his serve for more cheapie points. As it is, Nadal only lost two games on his serve the entire tournament because nobody could hit the ball past him and he controlled at least 75% of all the rallies. Agassi hit some really good shots consistently that would break down just about anyone else but he couldn't finish the points. He just coudln't get it past Nadal.
It wasnīt necessary to admit he was wrong cause it was pretty obvious and no other reaction would have been decent.

Apart from that, I heavily disagree at the statement The fact of the matter is that from a historical point of view, one wouldn't think that Nadal's game would translate well to hardcourts. If u had watched Nadalīs matches in those hard courts in the past (apart from that Roddick anihilation) against Chela, Hewitt and Younes when he wasnīt even the half of a player heīs nowadays, it was pretty clear he had a great potential to do well there, but Federerīs shadow is too big for some of their fans to see this. Nadal will do fine everywhere (including grass) except indoors as I said a lot of months ago and itīs not something surprising to see him winning a TMS in hard court, more to come soon
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I said he would not win a hardcourt title this year and was soundly proven wrong this week. He was in great form and translated his game and skills seamlessly. He is a USO contender for sure.
Good for you for seeing the error of the ways and being brave enough to say so, so are Montreal and Miami clay events now?

“ On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1

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If u had watched Nadalīs matches in those hard courts in the past (apart from that Roddick anihilation) against Chela, Hewitt and Younes when he wasnīt even the half of a player heīs nowadays, it was pretty clear he had a great potential to do well there, but Federerīs shadow is too big for some of their fans to see this. Nadal will do fine everywhere (including grass) except indoors as I said a lot of months ago and itīs not something surprising to see him winning a TMS in hard court, more to come soon
No matter how many times you explain it and repackage it, some people will refuse to believe it and make poor excuses when it does happen, Dirk was good enough to accept it and that is something positive.

Indoors well it will take him longer, but he'll find a way to win there as well. I have to say some people have helped make me a Nadal fan.

“ On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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No matter how many times you explain it and repackage it, some people will refuse to believe it and make poor excuses when it does happen, Dirk was good enough to accept it and that is something positive.

Indoors well it will take him longer, but he'll find a way to win there as well. I have to say some people have helped make me a Nadal fan.
I agree with your points, still sceptic about Nadalīs chances at indoors, I think he needs to improve a lot of things to do well there, but I also know I canīt understimate him cause heīs hungry and he wants to win everywhere and in Spain thereīs a common expression that could do fine here "No se le pueden poner puertas al campo" (sth like "U canīt put doors in an open field")
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I have to say some people have helped make me a Nadal fan.
Good for you George!!!!!
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I agree with your points, still sceptic about Nadalīs chances at indoors, I think he needs to improve a lot of things to do well there, but I also know I canīt understimate him cause heīs hungry and he wants to win everywhere and in Spain thereīs a common expression that could do fine here "No se le pueden poner puertas al campo" (sth like "U canīt put doors in an open field")
Yes, his serve would need to improve, but Rios was able to play well indoors. I mean Rafa doesn't need the big bombs, and he has improved the placement which is good. Yes, he's hungry, but the elements are taken out of the equation in indoor tennis, so that'll be a challenge for him.

“ On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Good for you George!!!!!
I am not one of these people that have gone Nadal crazy all of a sudden, like he has come out of nowhere, he has been around for a while. I mean it's mainly because people think of him as a claycourt specialist, yes it is a negative term. Then again, maybe it's the rabid anti-Nadal fans that have helped as well.

“ On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Good for you, so are Montreal and Miami clay events now?
You can laugh at him, but that's a thread you could have written after the French open this year.
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Yes, his serve would need to improve, but Rios was able to play well indoors. I mean Rafa doesn't need the big bombs, and he has improved the placement which is good. Yes, he's hungry, but the elements are taken out of the equation in indoor tennis, so that'll be a challenge for him.
One of the things that worries me more about this is that Nadal has such a huge confidence in his retrieving abilities that many times heīs too conservative when hitting the ball, he doesnīt give enough depth to their shots and thatīs a killer handicap at indoors. He also will have to deal with faster services and time for running down balls will be shorter. The good thing is that heīs a damned fast learner as he showed yesterday (again). He knew he had to be more agressive in 3rd set and he managed to do it perfectly, hitting the ball deeper and putting pressure on Agassi when he had a chance in every rally.
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