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Re: Is the winner of the Rome final the favorite for RG?

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No, not really but it's a good question which brings me to something else. I've read a couple of years ago somewhere (I really can't remember tho) that the best indicator of a potential RG winner is Monte Carlo. Apparently, there are many guys who won MC and went to win RG that same year. Sorry, I'm bad at stats. I hope that maybe Litotes or Slasher can 'enlighten' us here. The article was also mentioning the similarity between MC and RG courts etc.

I went back and looed that up. 9 diferent players won that duo ( MC & RG) Borg was the only who did it twice.

Then came Rafa did it 8 times.

Going to check and see the Rome and RG connection.

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I went back and looed that up. 9 diferent players won that duo ( MC & RG) Borg was the only who did it twice.

Then came Rafa did it 8 times.

Going to check and see the Rome and RG connection.

After a quick flash comparing Rome and RG i counted 7 players winning both in a total of 8 titles. Birg again winning 2 years.

Then came Rafa doing it 5 times.

MC is older then Rome so more chances for that stat. Some tank Rome to get ready for RG while in the past some maybe just skiped.

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Re: Is the winner of the Rome final the favorite for RG?

IT depends on what margin they win by. If Nole wins 6-3 6-2, absolutely destroying Nadal's gameplan, than yes he's the favorite. If it is a tight match, I put Nadal as the favorite.
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Re: Is the winner of the Rome final the favorite for RG?

It's not really a large enough sample. Then you throw in numerous ball changes, MC rebuilding their courts about a decade ago, calendar changes, etc etc.

MC isn't particularly close to RG courts in terms of construction either. It's also quite a bit slower, because of temperatures and the sea air - not my opinion, that of the MC head groundsman.
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Re: Is the winner of the Rome final the favorite for RG?

No, either way the favorite is obviously Nadal.

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Re: Is the winner of the Rome final the favorite for RG?

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I went back and looed that up. 9 diferent players won that duo ( MC & RG) Borg was the only who did it twice.

Then came Rafa did it 8 times.

Going to check and see the Rome and RG connection.
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It's not really a large enough sample. Then you throw in numerous ball changes, MC rebuilding their courts about a decade ago, calendar changes, etc etc.

MC isn't particularly close to RG courts in terms of construction either. It's also quite a bit slower, because of temperatures and the sea air - not my opinion, that of the MC head groundsman.
some great points here ...

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No, either way the favorite is obviously Nadal.
well, nobody denies it. He won it so many times.
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Nadal needs this match for his confidence. If he gets it, yeah, I'd consider him the clear favourite for sure. If he doesn't, he'll be doubting himself and I'll be picking Nole for RG.
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Re: Is the winner of the Rome final the favorite for RG?

No.

But, if Rafa wins this match, they should just give him the RG trophy and move onto Wimbledon.

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Re: Is the winner of the Rome final the favorite for RG?

Yes - if Mr. Nadal wins today. Otherwise - no.
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Yes

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I have one word for you:

Clayray.

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Re: Is the winner of the Rome final the favorite for RG?

Depends on how tight the match is imo

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No. Nadal will lose Rome final, but he will remain the favorite for RG.

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