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it looks like a trainwreck out there

Nadal @ 2% will still scoop Masters left and right.

the field is so weak it hurts, remember the late 90s? Muster, Guga, Corretja, Mantilla, Rios, Agassi, Ferrero etc etc

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Agassi on caly? ferrero in the 90's ? are you drunk?
Rios won 3 MS on clay all in diffrent seasons, never got past the QFs at RG.

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Agassi on caly? ferrero in the 90's ? are you drunk?
Rios won 3 MS on clay all in diffrent seasons, never got past the QFs at RG.
Agassi won Roland Garros, reached 2 more finals and a few semis.
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Seriously, Fed would be winning 2 titles in such a clay season in his prime. What a joke.


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When Nadal can only beat Niahikori on clay due to a withdrawal, we know it is a weak clay era. Some Nadal fans actually celebrated that win which proves even they know how awful he is. Weakest clay era ever. Novak at 1% nearly beat Nadal playing an incredible match at last years FO. The stats give me so much life!
oh lord, not that whiny crap again.. don't you ever get tired of the clueless bulls#ite you post, jowilly?

nishiquitter didn't withdraw.. he retired.. i.e., he quit in tears cause he'd had enough, being the big girl that he is..

how in god's name does such a mental and physical weakling ever deserve to hold a masters1000 trophy? god forbid!

now for pete's sake.. give the whining a rest! nishiquitter's a big ole girl and as long as he remains a big ole girl, his only chances of winning a masters event will be over on the women's side..

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Clearly, fed was in the stronger era when he lost to gaudenzi. He has only one early loss the last 3 years, so he fought hard against such weak nadal and Djoker efforts.

Fwiw, here's Federer's 0-for-15 record at Foro Italico:

2000 - A. Medvedev, 2nd round
2001 - W. Ferreira, 3rd round, straight sets
2002 - A. Gaudenzi, 2nd round, straight sets
2003 - F. Mantilla, finals, straight sets
2004 - A. Costa, 3rd round
2005 - Withdrew due to back pain
2006 - R. Nadal, finals
2007 - F. Volandri, 3rd round, straight sets
2008 - Radek The Worm, quarters, straight sets
2009 - N. Djokovic, semis
2010 - E. Gulbis, 2nd round
2011 - R. Gasquet, 3rd round
2012 - N. Djokovic, semis
2013 - R. Nadal, finals
2014 - J. Chardy, 2nd round
Yet he was the finalist on 5 of Dull's RGs. Goes to show how strong the clay field has been during Dull's career.

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Yet he was the finalist on 5 of Dull's RGs. Goes to show how strong the clay field has been during Dull's career.
Wasnt fraud peak 2004-2007? Why people are comparing it with his results prior 2004? pathetic.

ANd fed lost to costa in 2004, rafa with 16/17 years old was schooling costa in 2003.
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In the weakest clay season Fed only managed to get FO when Rafa, Novak,Murray and Berdych are all out.

Stakhovsky,Delbonis,Gulbis,Nishikori,Kyrgios,Monfi ls,Cilic,Seppi more and more people are not afraid of Federer the "paper tiger".
03-07 is the weakest era for tennis

The one who lose to rafa 9 times and Novak 8 times in grand slam is the goat
Wilander: Federer played during the weakest era ever.
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In the weakest clay season Fed only managed to get FO when Rafa, Novak,Murray and Berdych are all out.
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I don't think those "strong guy" will be a threat to rafa.
But for Roger, he is beaten by so many guys on clay(Rafa*N,Novak*N,Stan*2,Tsonga*1,Robin Sordering*1...I believe Berdych can beat him,too,Berdych can beat Novak and Murray on clay, beat Roger on any surface),So I don't believe he can take French Open more than once in any era.

Stakhovsky,Delbonis,Gulbis,Nishikori,Kyrgios,Monfi ls,Cilic,Seppi more and more people are not afraid of Federer the "paper tiger".
03-07 is the weakest era for tennis

The one who lose to rafa 9 times and Novak 8 times in grand slam is the goat
Wilander: Federer played during the weakest era ever.
John McEnroe: Rafael Nadal is the best ever, even with a first-round Wimbledon loss
Agassi: Rafael Nadal as the best player in the history of tennis, ahead of Roger Federer.
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No doubt about it. Lack of clay specialist is the only reason why a dull moonballer fluked so many French Open titles.

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Re: is this the weakest clay field ever?

I don't know about the 'ever' part, but yeah, it is quite weak.
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Nadal truly is a master of all Fedtards. He dictates how they think, what they post, how they act, how much they sleep and how much they cry. And I'm not talking about the OP.

Too good, Rafa. Too good.
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Re: is this the weakest clay field ever?

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As for Mugray, what can be said? A disgusting human being, and awful player, and a choking pushing mug. He looks like a kemo patient, bald spots, hairless legs, pasty blotchy skin, busted teeth, and an ugly, snarling face. Typical antics all came out in this match: faking injuries, grimacing and cursing, trying to peg Fed, trying to start drama, undeserved final based on an exhausted old man and a joke draw.

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Re: is this the weakest clay field ever?

Nadal's brilliance on clay countered every possibility of more clay specialists existing during his time. Not only that, but the fact that courts slowed down made players easily access other types of surfaces and distance themselves from a focus on clay. So, why stand no chance against the greatest clay courter of all time, when you can win decent matches on any other surface playing with slower speed nowadays?
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Definitely not, given that the general level of tennis is much higher than in previous eras, but yes, it is comparatively weak considering how well the top players of today usually play. They all seem to suck right now. They would still eat the clay specialists of the 90's for breakfast though.
Using today's equipment and training techniques etc., those players would do well against today's players. Also, in the previous eras the larger difference in court speeds made it harder to to great on multiple surfaces. Therefore, there were more grass court specialists, and more clay specialists until the early 80's or so. For some reason I never cared for Borg's tennis yet the fact that he could go from winning the FO and Wimbledon in the same year so often, those days, was an amazing achievement. Today, from what is said here, the grass at Wimbledon is slower and the clay in Paris is a bit faster yet neither Federer nor Nadal were able to achieve what Borg did so often.

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