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You realy have problems with logic, do you? Everyone improves, but no one can become something else than what he is. Nadal can't become another player - he is more or less what he is, we see his game, he is never going to be something else. He will improve, yes, everyone is improving, but he will never be a force on the grass. Federer ousted an in-form Sampras on grass when he was 18, remember? Hewitt and Nalbandian were also a force on Wimbledon very young etc. Yes, Nadal is a clay-corter, and line my words: he will never be even as good as Agassi was on Wimbledon.

And I am not speaking about Borg, but about Nadal.
This might prove to be true and I would say it would certainly be true about 15 years ago but with the new type of grass, improvement is possible.

Agassi actually had a great career at Wimbledon once he started to play so if Nadal can have Agassi type results, I am sure he would be happy with them. That goes for almost all the players out there.
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Re: Muller def. Nadal 64 46 63 64

I did watch a bit of the match and all I can say is Nadal's game currently is not suited for grass. He really needs to work on his serve and his serve and volley game to be a force to reckon with. He made a match of this one only because he has incredible guts.
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Re: Muller def. Nadal 64 46 63 64

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It's not his surface... yet.
Right I mean... Rafa had his chances against Gilles. Seeing as he's now played a grand total of 3 matches on grass in the last two years, it'll just take a little time for him to figure out how to adjust his game. He's young though... he has time

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Re: Muller def. Nadal 64 46 63 64

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You realy have problems with logic, do you?
Actually, logic is my specialty.

Frankly, based on the following:

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Everyone improves, but no one can become something else than what he is. Nadal can't become another player - he is more or less what he is, we see his game, he is never going to be something else. He will improve, yes, everyone is improving, but he will never be a force on the grass. Federer ousted an in-form Sampras on grass when he was 18, remember? Hewitt and Nalbandian were also a force on Wimbledon very young etc. Yes, Nadal is a clay-corter, and line my words: he will never be even as good as Agassi was on Wimbledon.
Me thinks that you have some comprehension issues, because I never said anything that would have elicited this ridiculous response. If not comprehension issues, you just like quoting people and posting things that are irrelevant to their points.

Just to help you out, I've bolded the only part of this paragraph that had anything to do with what I was saying

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And I am not speaking about Borg, but about Nadal.
That's nice. I wasn't speaking about Borg either, my King of logic.

Next time you want to condescend me, try responding to the things that I actually said, and not going on a ridiculous tangent as if you've refuted something that I said :retard:

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Re: Muller def. Nadal 64 46 63 64

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no problem rafa, good job.
nadal no good in wimbledon
federer no good in RG
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here he's, haha
Federer just was in the semis so bitchy was only in 2nd r... so much for that..!

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Wasn't he supposed to play in Gstaad also?
Impossible. Bastaad and Gstaad are the same week. Not to mention if he really wants to play that week, he could go play some more on grass in Newport, Rhode Island.

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Hopefully Nadal will not be label a grinder.He needs to generate some racquet speed on his serve.

Nadal was labelled a grinder the moment that people saw ESP beside his name.

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This once again proves only one thing when comparing Roger and Nadal.

There's no comparasion.

Like I said before, once Nadal starts winning Queens or Halle on a consistent basis and reaches at least the semi's of Wimbledon, can you even start comparing him with Federer.
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Re: Muller def. Nadal 64 46 63 64

I am disappointed that he lost, but he himself did not even give himself a chance to get far at Wimbledon. He is still young and he will learn from this. I just wanted him to play Gasquet, but I guess it won't happen this time around.

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Re: Muller def. Nadal 64 46 63 64

Why bring in Federer at this point?

Of course Federer still stands out but give Nadal a break: he's only just turned 19!
Nadal can beat Federer on clay. That's a given.
He can beat him on hardcourt if he plays very well and Federer plays good but not on his best level (give Rafa time on this surface as well)
He can't beat Federer on grass but it's really too soon to tell if Rafael will ever be able to do that. Most tennis commentators seem to think he can adapt to the surface but clay will probably always be his very best surface (as is the case with Henin).
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Re: Muller def. Nadal 64 46 63 64

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Well, yes...I agree but tell that to the clay surface haters. Not really on this board but on other boards, people were having a party after her defeat.
Henin has already proven that she can do well on grass. In the press, she said that she had too little practice on the grass surface before coming to Wimbledon. Nadal had a similar problem: too little experience. Give him time.
Well, you know they're partying because she is the main threat to anybody, no matter what they say.

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He is still so young and he's already achieved so many things. It's too soon to tell how well he can do on grass but he has plenty of years to improve and at least, he has the ambition and the willpower to adapt to this surface.
I definitely think he will improve and do better in Wimbledon and on faster surfaces overall the next few years, I'm not so sure about big titles just yet. I barely watched him on fast surfaces like indoor hard and carpet, and this was the first match I've seen of him on grass, he wasn't so bad, it just his game is not suited to the surface and he was playing a good opponent today.

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Re: Muller def. Nadal 64 46 63 64

I was expecting him to reach next round for a rematch with Gasquet. I was hoping richie would improve his head to head record against Rafa.
It seems that Nadal is not a force yet on grass, I'm a bit surprised that he failed at the first difficult hurdle. Muller is no push over though.
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Re: Muller def. Nadal 64 46 63 64

I don't know why everyone's suprised.

You can expect more or less the same results from Nadal in 3 out of the 4 slams.

God I just want Roger to play Nadal on grass, although it's never going to happen. If for some miracle it does, Roger would bend him over and penetrate depths so far up Nadal's ass, he wouldn't know what hit him.

Then I'd create tons of new threads entitled, "Nadal is depressed." "Nadal is washed up," etc.
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I am rooting for Nadal to improve, tennis needs a guy like Nadal.He reminds me of my favorite player, LLeyton Hewitt although not polished enough.
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still a respectable run by Nadal. he has nothing to be ashamed of.
didn't know winning one match was called a run.
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