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post #1 of 91 (permalink) Old 07-24-2002, 03:14 PM Thread Starter
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Question Biggest OVERachiever?

Well we have a thread by aura of moya that got us thinking about people who have underachieved, and tennischick made a comment about an overachiever, so that got me thinking...

Any names for who some major overachievers are? People who made the most of the little talent they had, wether they were just mentally stronger than their peers, or they happened to have a window of opportunity - old great players on their way out, young players not quite there yet..

Anyhow , I have heard people refer to Courier in this catagory a lot before, but I didn't watch tennis enough back then to clarify this.

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overachiever in winning SLAMS he shouldn't have
or just in terms of getting way too high a ranking for doing nothing ??
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Having a succesful carreer for someone you would think wouldn't have done that well..

Winning slams isn't key, though it is easier to define.

Like maybe someone who won like a dozen or so titles, and was consistently well ranke, without really being remarkabley talented, and just a hard worker.

People who worked hard, and made the most of little talent - wether that means slams or not, is up for you guys to decide.

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I think Michael Chang did a lot more with his talent than he should have. He was just so determined. I don't think that his talent ever quite matched his career high number 2 ranking.
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Thanks tazban - I never saw Michael in his prime, so I'm not sure what to make of him.

It sounds bad, but its sort of a shame he is American - I mean being in the shadow of Agassi and Sampras all that time - had he been from *almost* anywhere else, save Germany or Sweeden, I think that what he has done would have been celebrated a lot more.

Saying someone overachiever IMO is a compliment - its sort of saying that "play X made it because they worked hard and earned it the hard way"... so fans of the players named shouldn't feel it is a slap at that player!

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When I think of hard work, Patrick Rafter comes to my mind instantly. A great guy, totally focused in what he was doing, and making the most of his talent. He is not like an Overachiever for me, though, caue he should have won Wimbledon and the Aussie Open at least one time each.

Chang is a good name, too. He was like number two in the world with his consistency.

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Rafter is more your typical late bloomer... if I remember right he was in challengers till his early 20's and did nothing remarkable untill the year before that first US Open win.

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Not Chang I think. He is/was really talented. Courier surely has had a bigger career than I thought he would have. Others? Korda: a slam and a slam final, more than other, more gifted players. Todd Martin maybe (not necessarily in slams, but in position on the ranking list in his best period)?

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Pea - can you elaborate a bit?

The popular concensus is that Agassi underachiever, due to his lapses of interest and weak pysch.

Just curious why you feel the way you do.

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Lleyton Hewitt aka The Potato. he doesn't have a single weapon but he is the #1 player in the world and he already has the Slams and titles to prove it. unbe-fricking-lievable! he has already overachieved!

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I disagree TC

Hewitt *does* have weapons - he has a decent serve, that is consistent and doesn't break under pressure. I may be wrong, but I think Schalken is the only player who broke him at Wimbledon?

And he has great returns, either the best on tour, or second the Agassi, IMO.

He is also among the fastest guys on tour.

His shot selection is very good. His groundstrokes are excellent.

But hey we''ll just have to disagree me thinks

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I think Kafelnikov was an overachiever....

2 GS Wins
1 GS Final
Olympic Gold

25 titles in total.

When you see how he plays when he is off it is a wonder how different he is when he is on. Unfortunately I can't get my head round how well he's done. He hasn't won a Masters Series event, I would have thought 5 or 6 masters events instead of a grand slam. But he won 2! amazing.
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Also #1 ranking

And all his doubles success.

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Sonic, funny - you think he overachieved for the same reason that I think he underachieved.

When he is on, he can beat anyone.

He just is so in and out, that that stopped him, IMO

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