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Every Wimbledon champion reached at least RG quarters. What about RG champs?

Bruguera? Muster? Moya? Costa? Gaudio?

Talk about skills and versatility.
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Re: Every Wimbledon champion reached at least RG quarters. What about RG champs?

Every starting since when? Also, it looks like there were a lot more RG winners than Wimbledon winners. Wimbledon was privatised by different players at times.
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Agassi was the last RG winner since Borg in 1981 to make the Wimby final in his 1999 comeback
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Bruguera? Muster? Moya? Costa? Gaudio?

Talk about skills and versatility.
Wimbledon champs have more time and more occassion to adapt to the clay surface than the other way round. No?


Puerta, for example, had very little experience on grass this year and he needed a break between RG and Wimbledon. I'm not surprised that he didn't make the first round.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Nadal lose against Spadea because he has the same problem: little occassion to prepare himself for the grass surface but I hope that he can adapt his game - if not this year, than in the following years because he's a lot of fun to watch on the court.

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Puerta loses 6-1 6-1 6-3 to definition of tennis supremacy burgsmuller.
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Borg was a in a different class, he won 6 FO and 5 Wimby titles. Now thats awesome, unfortunately a lot of the current RG chamipons havent performed well on other surfaces, hopefully Nadal will break that trend.

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Some recent RG champs have performed very well on other surfaces. Ferrero and Kuerten come to mind. Moya too, if we consider 1997 recent.

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kuerten beat sampras, and agassi consecutively indoors. One of the most underrated feats imo
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Re: Every Wimbledon champion reached at least RG quarters. What about RG champs?

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Bruguera? Muster? Moya? Costa? Gaudio?

Talk about skills and versatility.
I don't know how many of the Wimbledon Champions really at least made the RG quarters. But the last 20 or 30 years, with the exception being Cash, should be safe.

out of this list, Moya certainly has my respect for the play on grass...
But Muster, Costa, Gaudio on grass?
there's hardly a better joke than these three guys on this specific surface...

Muster was a slouch on grass, but at least he played four or five tournaments on grass other than Wimbledon and he made the Queen's semifinal. To his credit, he plays now quite acceptably and he is giving good guys good matches on grass. That shows that he could have done a lot better if, yes if he wanted to prepare and respect the surface.

Bruguera had one good run at Wimbledon, a fourth round that was it. Harldy showed up.

Gaudio has something like five or six matches on grass, with the only win coming from one 2nd round in Wimbledon beating a fellow Argentine in person of Juan-Pablo Guzman who managed to qualify that year but who has meanwhile to play qualies for Challengers.

Props to Gomez, in one of his few appearances he actually made the Wimbledon quarterfinal.

And lots of other RG Champs also did considerably well.


Overall, a few results how some RG Champs are faring on grass can be really scathing and there's a HUGE lack concerning the attitude of some of these players towards grass court tennis and preparing for this surface properly which finally often results in helplessness on the surface.

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Wimbledon champs have more time and more occassion to adapt to the clay surface than the other way round. No?
Ding ding. YS is just trolling as always, but some people will only be happy if the clay players sacrifice their results on clay to improve on grass - since the schedule doesnt' comply, it's really one of the few options.

How the Hell does one have tiem to "respect" a surface and train for it properly when they were training for another slam two weeks ago?

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Talk about skills and versatility.
I believe lots of them would have the needed skills and verstility to get acceptable results on grass, no question! Actually you can succeed with lots of more onesidedness, less skills ans versatility on grass than on clay. For most it's a displayed lack and a mixture of some components such as practice on grass, attitude, preparation and tactical comprehension.

For Puerta yesterday for example, I think a few exhibition matches the weekend before would have been already enough to do better. But as he came to the conclusion how to hit winners with flat strokes instead of trying to outrally Burgsmüller from the basline and trying to put pressure on him with his heavy topspin strokes, he was already down two sets.

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Ding ding. YS is just trolling as always, but some people will only be happy if the clay players sacrifice their results on clay to improve on grass - since the schedule doesnt' comply, it's really one of the few options.
That was me you're quoting and on my very first post. Wow.
I'm not trolling, honest.
I love to see tennis on clay but my point is that I don't think it's a fair comparison between the Wimbledon champs and the RG champs.

The typical clay tennis players are fun to watch and I don't see any reason to diminish their skills on their surface and to try and prove that the grass players are more flexible (I'm not sure if anybody is implying that but I'm just saying...) because I just don't agree.
The fact is that it's easier for a grass player to adapt to the clay surface because of the season: the grass season is short and Wimbledon follows RG by only two weeks.

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How the Hell does one have tiem to "respect" a surface and train for it properly when they were training for another slam two weeks ago
Exactly my point!


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I love to see tennis on clay but my point is that I don't think it's a fair comparison between the Wimbledon champs and the RG champs.
I agree, it's not completely fair, especially not for those who go far into the 2nd week at Roland Garros. For Roland Garros, there's lots of more time left to prepare of course.

And as I said earlier, I didn't blame Gaudio for skipping Wimbledon last year after he won the French Open. Lots of things happened and lots of things changed suddenly in his life and I'm sure he was requested for thousands of interviews and stuff like that and he needed just a bit of time for himself I guess. But there are also other examples like Nadal who actually want to play on grass and every surface. And not to forget about Chang, he was small, he didn't have the killer strokes and he didn't have a huge 220 km/h serve. But he won RG and showed up for Wimbledon a few weeks later and made the fourth round there, which was meant to be not the only good and respectable Wimbledon performance of him at the end of his career.

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Also, suppose Wimbledon and RG switched places and the Wimbledon champ would only have 2 weeks to prepare for this different surface with only a very short clay season to prepare yourself.

Does anybody really think that this transition would be easy? I could see a lot of Wimbledon champs go out very fast in RG in that case and many players would probably not even bother showing up.

I'm hoping that Nadal can at least prove to some of the doubters that he can once become a great grass player but don't expect too much from the guy. Last year, he wanted to play Wimbledon but couldn't because of an injury. As a result, he has very little experience on the surface but at least, he's showing the willingness to try and do well on grass.
I think that it took even the great Bjorn Borg some time to adapt to grass.
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Reverse the seasons and see what happens.

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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