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Change the way draws are done in tennis!

I hate the way draws are done in tennis.

You'll have two qualifiers playing in the first round, and the potential to meet another qualifier in the second round, yet a decent player that ranked #34 can end up meeting someone ranked #3 in the first round (which isn't fair for either).

It doesn't make any sense.

I think they should do it the way NCAA basketball does the championship games. #1 plays #16, #2 plays #15, etc. etc.

That way the person at the top who deserves to get a good draw because they worked hard all year to get their ranking gets easier early rounds. And the people who are at the bottom are just lucky to be invited to the dance so they can't complain.

And that way you don't have situations like a couple years ago at the US Open when Andy pulled Tim in the first round. I liked both but obviously you don't want one of the best hard court players who has the potential to win it upset early, but who wanted to see a caliber player like Tim lose in the first round either.

Its really minor league the way they do it in tennis.
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Re: Change the way draws are done in tennis!

it was worse for the players, when there were only 16 seeds. With 32 seeds, the big name players have a better chance at getting through than meeting some dangerour floaters, but it deprives the tournament and its fans of some great early round matchups.

The first two rounds nowadays are a bore. Only on grass, and clay do the early round matchups have the potential to be exciting because you have specialists who are not high enough to be seeded, but capable of causing upsets giving top guys "fits"
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it was worse for the players, when there were only 16 seeds. With 32 seeds, the big name players have a better chance at getting through than meeting some dangerour floaters, but it deprives the tournament and its fans of some great early round matchups.

The first two rounds nowadays are a bore. Only on grass, and clay do the early round matchups have the potential to be exciting because you have specialists who are not high enough to be seeded, but capable of causing upsets giving top guys "fits"
I know fans like the potential upset, but I think in the end, they would rather have the big name players in the QFs, SFs, and finals, and not some guy that had an easy draw and is lower ranked.
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Re: Change the way draws are done in tennis!

I agree NicoFan.
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I agree.
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Re: Change the way draws are done in tennis!

I strongly disagree. Such a system would make it much harder for younger inexperianced players to move up the rankings. It would also lead to far fewer surprises. If a player is good they should be able to handle a tough draw anyway. The idea of having Federer starting the tournament playing the lowest ranked player in the draw - well it doesn't sound like great drama lets leave it at that.

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I strongly disagree. Such a system would make it much harder for younger inexperianced players to move up the rankings. It would also lead to far fewer surprises. If a player is good they should be able to handle a tough draw anyway. The idea of having Federer starting the tournament playing the lowest ranked player in the draw - well it doesn't sound like great drama lets leave it at that.
Well if the only players that matter to a fan are those in the top ten, then yeah, there wouldn't be any drama. (And not that there is anything wrong with only rooting for players in teh top ten).

But for someone like myself who likes primarily players in the 20-50 range, it would be nice to see them have more of a chance if they get stuck with bad draws week after week after week than the players ranked lower that maybe get a lucky draw and get to the 3rd/4th round because of it when they don't deserve it.

Case in point - Fernando Verdasco - here's a kid that has talent and I believe that he has the ability to be a top 20 player. But he's had the worst draws this year that I've ever seen. As a result he's down into the 50 something rankings.

Draws (seeds like this playing around in Wimbledon) should go by the hard work and talent a player puts in all year. Not on some random system.
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Round Robin...that´s the only way to go!!!

It might take a bit longer but hey, it´s worth it, trust me
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Re: Change the way draws are done in tennis!

I agree with a lot of the theory, but I don't know if it would help the problem, especially considering the number of low-ranked surface specialists. For example, someone on grass might rather have to play Nadal instead of, say, Karlovic. Someone on clay would rather face Andy than someone like, perhaps, Almagro or Starace or Acasuso. So, it wouldn't always work anyway.

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So, under this proposed system, the top 16 seeds would always get the 16 qualifiers in the first round? That doesn't sound fair.
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Re: Change the way draws are done in tennis!

They should do that for college football as well.

Take the final 16 teams and divide the brackets according to 1-16 ranking in a 3 or 4 week round-robin playoff.

Don't base it on strength of schedule or surface.
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Well if the only players that matter to a fan are those in the top ten, then yeah, there wouldn't be any drama. (And not that there is anything wrong with only rooting for players in teh top ten).
As it happens I'm not only interested in players in the top 10. Far from it. I simply don't like the idea of the lowest ranked players in a tournament being used as fodder. The game shouldn't be about maintaining the status quo. The suggestion to pair off all the lowest ranked players with the highest ranked players offends me in the same way as the recent decision to reduce the qualifying places in Queen's from 7 to 4 did.

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Re: Change the way draws are done in tennis!

No.

I mean, yes. Back to 16 seeds please.
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Re: Change the way draws are done in tennis!

I like everything the way it is, though i do agree about how it not being fair with two qualifiers playing eachother. Other than that I really like the way the draws are made up.

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Re: Change the way draws are done in tennis!

It's called the luck of the draw, and I actually wish it was back to the 16 seeds and not the 32 that they have now, it was a concession made to the players, but it happens very rarely that all 32 seeds go through to the 3rd round.

It's actually more of a problem when they play RG as they don't use specific seedings on clay rankings and the situation that normally happens and happened this year, the overall depth is stacked on side of the draw, but it rarely happens that it's evenly balanced at the best of times.

That solution proposed would not make the game any better.

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