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Will Wimbledon mess with the top 4 seeds?

I have a scary feeling that they may want to move Roddick to #2 and Nadal out of the top 4.

Please tell me they won't do this.


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Re: Will Wimbledon mess with the top 4 seeds?

Somebody did the math in another thread. If I understood correct, if they use any seeding formula from the past 4 years they can't bump Nadal out. That doesn't mean they won't make up a new one an try, but they'll have to work for it.

Quite frankly, I don't think there is any reason to do it, but I don't have any respect for Wimbledon and expect them to do the wrong thing

As for the number 2 slot, I don't imagine they care where Hewitt or Roddick fall. It will depend on the Nadal-Math. Or the Henman-Math, if you prefer

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Re: Will Wimbledon mess with the top 4 seeds?

I don't have any respect for them either, as far as seeding is concerned. I think the tennis world should be annoyed that they show such blatant favortism to their own players. Granted that's they only way they'll win matches, but still.


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Re: Will Wimbledon mess with the top 4 seeds?

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I don't have any respect for them either, as far as seeding is concerned. I think the tennis world should be annoyed that they show such blatant favortism to their own players. Granted that's they only way they'll win matches, but still.
The USO and Wimbledon are both guilty in this regard. Mind you, I'm sure that Henman and Roddick would still win matches

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Re: Will Wimbledon mess with the top 4 seeds?

I think many hard-core Wimbledon fans are annoyed by it myself included.
Jez did the math in another thread, and it looks almost certain that Roddick will be seeded #2 and Nadal #4.

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Re: Will Wimbledon mess with the top 4 seeds?

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The USO and Wimbledon are both guilty in this regard. Mind you, I'm sure that Henman and Roddick would still win matches
If you're refering to draw-fixing, I don't really believe that happens. And the US Open doesn't mess with seeds.

They do favor their players, but not blantantly with seedings and such... that's what I meant. It's normal to favor your country's players, you just shouldn't basically cheat for them.


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I think many hard-core Wimbledon fans are annoyed by it myself included.
Jez did the math in another thread, and it looks almost certain that Roddick will be seeded #2 and Nadal #4.
If that's true, it's totally pathetic. Yes Roddick has done pretty well there, but Hewitt is a former champion and thus he deserves to have his seeding remain intact.

Roddick did make the finals last year, but I doubt they would go out of their way to increase Nalbandian's seeding.


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Re: Will Wimbledon mess with the top 4 seeds?

Basically I want Federer and Roddick in the same half


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Re: Will Wimbledon mess with the top 4 seeds?

I agree Wimbledon does whatever they can in order for Henman to get the best possible seed and that's not fair. However, clay courters are yet to prove they can play on grass. So far it's been like 27/28 years a clay courter does not make the Wimbledon final. If Nadal gets to the quarters of so this year, I'm sure he will leave his mark and get the respect deserved.

At the other hand, it would make sense for RG to start seeding the players according to past results.
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Re: Will Wimbledon mess with the top 4 seeds?

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If you're refering to draw-fixing, I don't really believe that happens. And the US Open doesn't mess with seeds.

They do favor their players, but not blantantly with seedings and such... that's what I meant. It's normal to favor your country's players, you just shouldn't basically cheat for them.
I wasn't talking about match fixing, I was talking about like... everything else you can possibly do.

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Re: Will Wimbledon mess with the top 4 seeds?

Seeding Nadal #2 for Wimbledon makes just about as much sense as seeding Roddick #2 for Roland Garros...
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Re: Will Wimbledon mess with the top 4 seeds?

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If that's true, it's totally pathetic. Yes Roddick has done pretty well there, but Hewitt is a former champion and thus he deserves to have his seeding remain intact.

Roddick did make the finals last year, but I doubt they would go out of their way to increase Nalbandian's seeding.
They wouldn't go out of their way to do it, but Nalbandian did have a higher seeding one year if I'm not mistaken

As for Roddick Hewitt, as I said : what happens with them probably has nothing to do with them. I really don't think the seeding committee gives a fuck where they fall. It's all about the people behind them.

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Re: Will Wimbledon mess with the top 4 seeds?

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I agree Wimbledon does whatever they can in order for Henman to get the best possible seed and that's not fair. However, clay courters are yet to prove they can play on grass. So far it's been like 27/28 years a clay courter does not make the Wimbledon final. If Nadal gets to the quarters of so this year, I'm sure he will leave his mark and get the respect deserved.

At the other hand, it would make sense for RG to start seeding the players according to past results.
Well what is your definition of a "clay courter." Because if someone who does well on clay is a clay courter, then Borg is probably a good counterexample of your statement. He won RG and Wimbledon back to back how many times? Five?


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I agree Wimbledon does whatever they can in order for Henman to get the best possible seed and that's not fair. However, clay courters are yet to prove they can play on grass. So far it's been like 27/28 years a clay courter does not make the Wimbledon final. If Nadal gets to the quarters of so this year, I'm sure he will leave his mark and get the respect deserved.

At the other hand, it would make sense for RG to start seeding the players according to past results.
I disagree. I think that the seeding systems are garbage. I don't want RG using them. If my favourite slam is tainted by stupidity I will be highly annoyed

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Seeding Nadal #2 for Wimbledon makes just about as much sense as seeding Roddick #2 for Roland Garros...
I agree... especially considering he's ranked #3


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