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Question Why did the RG crowd boo when they thanked the sponsors?

I don't understand French completely so I couldn't understand everything Mary Pierce and JHH said during their speeches after the final. Why did the crowd boo when they thanked Sony Erikson (sp?) for sponsoring the tournament?

Without sponsors, there would be way less tennis tournaments ... so I was confused why the sponsor would be booed. Something I am missing?
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Re: Why did the RG crowd boo when they thanked the sponsors?

It's typically a difference of culture between France and the USA.
Publicity, money are taboo in France. It doesn't seem natural, it's like if the players had to bring a advert banner to promote x sponsor...it's just so far from sport spirit and the touching and sincere speeches people like to hear in a ceremony.
I don't know if you can understand for you Americans it's so natural, like to give the check to the finalist directly on the podium. Here it's shoking and classless.
But it wasn't a nasty boo, just funny, and henin and pierce laughed.

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It must be a cultural difference. I cannot see how it's shocking and classless to thank Sony Erikson for sponsoring the tournament. If sponsors didn't do what they did, the Grand Slams wouldn't be as big as they are. If there weren't sponsors, I'd be reading about the results of the French Open in tomorrow's newspaper, instead of getting to see it live on TV. I think we owe sponsors a thank you for letting us watch this amazing sport on TV. It's not like JHH and Mary said, "I looooooooooooooove my Sony Erikson phone. They have great service, and you should get one!" They just thanked the company for supporting the tournament. I honestly think it's classy to thank people, not tacky. I guess I will never fully understand the French crowd that boos when players want to check ball marks in the clay and when players need to stop for a second to wipe of the clay from their bodies when they fall down. I am not insulting the French crowd, but their booing puzzles me (a la the Grosjean/Nadal booing, the sponsor booing, the booing of Nadal for going back for his towel to wipe clay off, the booing of EVERY single time someone wanted to check the ball mark in the clay, etc.). It just annoyed me.
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To quote a brand name is forbiden at tv in France.
Don't try to understand. Nevermind.

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Re: Why did the RG crowd boo when they thanked the sponsors?

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To quote a brand name is forbiden at tv in France.

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Yeah and what is also sometimes difficult for Anglo-Saxons that like to be politically correct and everything is that booing in France from what i know of it (and in many other latin countries...) from a crowd hasn't at all the same weight, meaning, importance that it may have in their countries... Because it's just seen as a way to participate and show your feelings towards something happening because crowds like to play their part, be satisfied, show their feelings so they're very expressive here and even sometimes talkative in special songs for a special team or player. For exemple, I'm always amazed at the fact that so many American supporters at basket ball matches for exemple carry placards with messages and drawings on them because that's not the way crowds express themselves in France where i live...but in the US they're all singing the same "defence defence" no matter where they are when here a crowd of supporters take pride in inventing special unique songs... and there are many other differences i've noticed. Booing like cheering, applauding, singing, screaming, whistling etc...is just a way to express a feeling toward something (mostly when the crowd is amused or unhappy...) it's rarely truely disrespectful... It means : "we didn't like that", "don't show off like that", "don't discuss this call" or like in yesterday's RG women's final to Mary Pierce :"how could you miss this smatch" and "don't speak of materialistic things during such an emotional speech it ruins all the effect" etc...
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Well said delsa (your english is so good, you can express prefectly what you mean, not me )

About advertisning...for example, all brand's names are hiden ( the image of the brand is blured) in foreign movies.

"A la base, nous les Français, sommes les champions du monde des râleurs. J'ai l'impression qu'être français, c'est un peu un handicap pour être le meilleur dans ton sport.
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These cultural differences are pretty interesting. Thanks for the European point of view.
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Re: Why did the RG crowd boo when they thanked the sponsors?

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It must be a cultural difference. I cannot see how it's shocking and classless to thank Sony Erikson for sponsoring the tournament. If sponsors didn't do what they did, the Grand Slams wouldn't be as big as they are. If there weren't sponsors, I'd be reading about the results of the French Open in tomorrow's newspaper, instead of getting to see it live on TV. I think we owe sponsors a thank you for letting us watch this amazing sport on TV. It's not like JHH and Mary said, "I looooooooooooooove my Sony Erikson phone. They have great service, and you should get one!" They just thanked the company for supporting the tournament. I honestly think it's classy to thank people, not tacky.
Yeah, as Marine said it's not in our culture to thank the sponsors. Because sponsors have to do with money, not with the sport itself. I mean, of course they're necassry to the sport, but during ceremonies what we want to applaud is the winner, the finalist, the great fight during the match, the emotions they both share with the public... not only in tennis, in all sports.
Like we don't like to talk about money, and how much ppl earn, etc. Because it's considered tactless, especially in regard to the ppl who don't earn much money. So you'll never see the tournament's officials bringing the big check on court like they do in other tournaments. It's just not in our traditions, and again we prefer applauding the winner for what he has achieved more than for the amount of money he won.

I'm not sure if it's easy to understand for foreigners. But money isn't a topic we discuss on a "public place". For instance actors, singers, etc.. in France most of them won't say in a tv show how much they won for a film or with an album...
It's a bit hypocritical i think. For instance in sports, sponsors are necessary it's normal players thank them, and so i think it's hypocritical not to want to mention them in the final speech... but it's not yet part of our state of mind.
But as Marine said, when they booed it wasn't mean. Everyone knows sponsors are important and everyone knows players have to do it. So they weren't being mean, it's more like they tease the players

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I guess I will never fully understand the French crowd that boos when players want to check ball marks in the clay and when players need to stop for a second to wipe of the clay from their bodies when they fall down. I am not insulting the French crowd, but their booing puzzles me (a la the Grosjean/Nadal booing, the sponsor booing, the booing of Nadal for going back for his towel to wipe clay off, the booing of EVERY single time someone wanted to check the ball mark in the clay, etc.). It just annoyed me.
oh on this i totally agree. I don't get why they do that. I mean, they are some players who can argue on every point, and in those cases i can understand the ppl booing because it's annoying. But now in RG and Bercy the crowd tends to boo even everytime a player check a point or ask athe umpire to do so, even if he odes that only once in the match... that's very annoying Everytime they do that, whether i'm watching it on TV or whether i am there, i just think: oh please, give the poor guy a break!
I really don't get why things have gone this way, but i agree it's annoying

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Re: Why did the RG crowd boo when they thanked the sponsors?

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To quote a brand name is forbiden at tv in France.
Don't try to understand. Nevermind.
Well that's another problem.
You can't use a brandname without asking permission. Copyrights that's all.
And sometimes you can't mention a brandname because it would be considered free advertisment, and so it's unfair for other brandnames selling same products. But if you mention several brandnames then it's not forbidden.

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French people are haters...and they hate everyone equally....That's it!

oh, no...I learnt yesterday that they hated even more spanish players.

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Ok, ok, we're mean, nasty, classless, haters etc.... don't go to France, we're crazy.
(I wonder who's the most virulent, the french crowd or some peopleof this forum always critical about french people...)

I learnt today lots people hate us... even French itself !

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I love France and french people (but I hated them a little during the Nadal-Grosjean match, haha). Paris is the most beautiful city I`ve been to, RG is my favourite GS, I adore Bercy MS and Creme Brulée is the most delicious dessert
And I always felt that speeches at the end of a final should be about emotions and not about thanking sponsors (it`s only my personal opinion.... ). Although I totally understand why the players thank them

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Ok, ok, we're mean, nasty, classless, haters etc.... don't go to France, we're crazy.
(I wonder who's the most virulent, the french crowd or some peopleof this forum always critical about french people...)

I learnt today lots people hate us... even French itself !
I was kidding Marine...I'm with you...I just don't want to be serious with these threads anymore...I learnt yesterday that MANY people hate us.

I'm french myself...a part of me is...uh?...I was born there.

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French people are haters? I've had some great experiences with French people ... heck, the first person I kissed was French. I lost my virginity with a French person, too! So, I don't have ill will toward the French ... are you implying that I hate the French because I get annoyed with the booing? That's not really fair.

But to be honest, I don't understand the French language that well. So I didn't know what JHH and Mary Pierce were saying, and I was confused as to why they would be booed for thanking the sponsors. Know I know ...

I can appreciate the way the French people don't talk about money in public. If JHH is Belgian and Mary is kind of French, why would they have thanked the sponsors, knowing that this is very offensive to the French? I can't imagine (French-speaking) Belgium is much different from France in this respect. Shouldn't JHH have known better?

I think in general the French Open crowd is just too eager to boo. But my hope is to one day be a part of the Roland Garros crowd, and who knows? Maybe I will boo once or twice as well.

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