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View Poll Results: Will he win a clay title
No 46 35.38%
He will win an ATP 250 26 20.00%
He will win an ATP 500 26 20.00%
He will win a MS title (yeah right!) 20 15.38%
He will do the unthinkable and win Roland Garros 12 9.23%
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post #271 of 692 (permalink) Old 05-14-2011, 08:05 PM
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Re: Murray's no slouch on clay!

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Murray's top level on clay appears to be pretty impressive - but you still have to suspect he doesn't really like the stuff.

Against guys like Berdy/Ferrer/Almagro/Sod/etc, where he doesn't have that special motivation of trying to beat a top guy, I'm dubious he'd win.
That's what impresses me. He puts in so much work on a surface that he doesn't really like. Still makes 2 semis. Also, he'll win against Berdych or Soda, I'm pretty sure if they meet at RG. Both of them play a more hard-court style on clay with more flat groundies. In fact, Murray tops it better than those two, and constructs points better as well. Clay helps tacticians better than ballbashers.

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Yeah although he still has problems closing out tight matches. He's been amazing this clay season. Hoping for a good RG here.
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It worked for Murray although it took until this year before Murray was taken seriously on a clay court.
He still isn't taken seriously on clay. It doesn't matter as it helped him with this game on other surfaces.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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He still isn't taken seriously on clay. It doesn't matter as it helped him with this game on other surfaces.
But Murray is so good in Masters 1000 that almost won of Djokovic on Clay!
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He still isn't taken seriously on clay. It doesn't matter as it helped him with this game on other surfaces.
he for some reason struggles on clay sometimes i dunno why, he loved clay, he trains their before alot of times, but for some reason he jus doesnt get clay that much at all, i thought he'll be better that djokovic tbh, but i forgot that nole did train on clay in serbia too, but still it doesnt make sense that hes not doing well on clay
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But Murray is so good in Masters 1000 that almost won of Djokovic on Clay!
was it in monte carlo or rome?
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But Murray is so good in Masters 1000 that almost won of Djokovic on Clay!
Can't live off one performance, apart from Roddick all the premier fast court players had some good results on clay Federer, Stich, Edberg, Noah, Rafter, even Becker had plenty of finals and SF.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Eggman needed a Murray choke to secure victory in Rome.
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so thats where it took place
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was it in monte carlo or rome?
Rome.

In Monte Carlo Murray lost to Nadal in the third set.

This year was a great year for Murray on Clay. He lost only to 3 Great Players on Clay: Djokovic, Nadal and Bellucci.
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This is not a Murray on clay thread, it's actually getting away from the topic of this thread which is overall player development why the UK and Australia aren't producing and not specific players.

It's very easy as to why Murray doesn't do as well, try the forehand and that's it.

Different economic conditions help as well as the cyclical nature of sport.
i wasnt trying to get off topic, if i was than sry, but its jus kinda odd to me, im jus wandering really thats all
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Rome.

In Monte Carlo Murray lost to Nadal in the third set.

This year was a great year for Murray on Clay. He lost only to 3 Great Players on Clay: Djokovic, Nadal and Bellucci.
o yea thats right, yea and bellucci played FANTASTIC btw against murray
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o yea thats right, yea and bellucci played FANTASTIC btw against murray
It's funny to realize that Bellucci almost won of Djokovic to get Masters Singles Final. And now he will play the Challenger Finals with a Wild Card.
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It's funny to realize that Bellucci almost won of Djokovic to get Masters Singles Final. And now he will play the Challenger Finals with a Wild Card.
i sooooooooo wanted a brazil vs spain final soooooooooooooooo bad

it wouldve been FANTASTIC and yes he almost won against djokovic
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Re: Andy Murray on clay

I suppose reaching the semi-final's at the 3 most prestigious clay court events; Monte Carlo, Rome and the French Open in the same year proves the point. And in Rome he came close to beating Djokovic and when he took Nadal to a 3rd set after winning the second set 6-2 in Monte Carlo a Nadal defeat in Monte Carlo for a moment looked feasible.

In 2011 Murray was probably the 5th best clay court player behind Nadal, Djokovic, Federer and Ferrer. Possibly could even argue 4th best.

The current greatness league of active players in order of achievements to date (a factual comparison rather than fan biased assessment):

Federer 17 GS, 6 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.
Nadal 14 GS, 27 Master Series, 1 Olympic Gold.
Djokovic 9 GS, 4 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.


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