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View Poll Results: Are we witnessing a lost generation?
Absolutely Yes. Coric and co. will arrive and own every previous gen. 8 15.69%
Yes. Coric and co. will be ready to rule only after the big 4 depart. 16 31.37%
Absolutely No. Jerzy and co. will crush big 4 soon and the next gen too.. 5 9.80%
No. Jerzy and co. will rule for a while before Coric and co. arrive. 22 43.14%
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post #31 of 68 (permalink) Old 12-24-2013, 03:08 PM
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Re: Jerzy, Milos, Grigor and Tomic - The lost generation?

Ok, so some of you think the Milos, Jerzy, Grigor and Tomic generation is crap. You also think Coric, Garin, Quinzi, Kyrgios, Kokki, etc. have not proven themselves so you can't see them taking over.

Question is... Who will? You ramble on, but fail to answer a very simple question. Somebody ought to take over from the Big 4 at one point in time (3, 4, 5, 6 years from now, whatever is your guess). The OP just wants to know in our opinion if the 22/23 yos of today will take over from the current big4 or if they will be leaped over by younger guys by the time the Big4 is gone. It's a simple question, really.

To answer the OP and stay on topic, I think the current crop of 17/18 year olds will not take over from the current Big 4 directly. I think there will be a transition period, and the next Grand Slam winning generation will be the 22/23 year olds of today. I don't think they will dominate for long, though. But just enough to get their 'time under the sun' as the OP phrased it.
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Coric, Garin, Quinzi, Kyrgios, Kokki, etc generation .... you don't know whether these guys are going to develop and blossom, you simply are just guessing by saying these names.

Who will? It's complete guess work, who will? Isn't it? Will Dimitrov, Raonic and Jerzy Janowicz dominate the top game of men's tennis after these current guys move on? Not for my best money, if I had to put money on what will happen, I would go for an open sort of field, where there is no real dominance in tennis and every slam is wide open with lots of potential winners.

Jerzy's game is too hot and cold, Raonic only has his serve and Dimitrov hasn't shown me he has the mentality to be a champion. By champions standard, not normal top 30 player's standard, champions standards, Dimitrov is a gutless man. I don't feel he's a good matchplayer and is completely style over substance.

As for the 18/19 year olds, I don't really think you can make any definitive predictions on which player's will be roaming the top 10 but I am pretty confident Carreno Busta will be top 20, that I am 80% sure on. Vesley is debatable, as I haven't liked his game on hardcourts of late. Kryigos I see more as a top 20 player that can occasionally upset the top guys come the future. These other dudes however, who's to say they are any of the ones who'll crop up and take over? There may be a late bloomer for all we know. Nishikori is ofcourse in the mix, I agree but he lacks a real big weapon and very injruy prone.

I just think it's a bit soon to start throwing names out.

I know what the OP is talking about. He's asking whether the slightly younger generation below the Dimitrov, Raonic and Janowicz one will be the successor's to the current top guys as opposed to Dimitrov, Raonic and Janowicz. I think that's complete and utter guess work. IMO there are no Djokovic's, Murray's, Nadal's and Federer's or even Del Potro's out there.... none.... none atm I can see. Some very talented claycourters in Vesley, Carreno and Del Bonis but no one with genuine talent that can cover all surfaces.

It's guess work.

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As for the 18/19 year olds, I don't really think you can make any definitive predictions on which player's will be roaming the top 10 but I am pretty confident Carreno Busta will be top 20, that I am 80% sure on.
Pablo Carreno Busta is 22 (he is 91 generation) so he should really be compared to Milos, Jerzy, Grigor and Bernard.

On the original question: I don't see a problem for Raonic, Janowicz and Dimitrov to dominate in a few years time. Tomic could also join them, but he really needs to change his attitude (and split from his dad as a coach). As gcgoncalves said - if not them who will...??? It will still take them 2-3 years though to overthrow the current dominators. I expect the next couple of seasons to be very ineterestin indeed.
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Coric, Garin, Quinzi, Kyrgios, Kokki, etc generation .... you don't know whether these guys are going to develop and blossom, you simply are just guessing by saying these names.

Who will? It's complete guess work, who will? Isn't it? Will Dimitrov, Raonic and Jerzy Janowicz dominate the top game of men's tennis after these current guys move on? Not for my best money, if I had to put money on what will happen, I would go for an open sort of field, where there is no real dominance in tennis and every slam is wide open with lots of potential winners.

Jerzy's game is too hot and cold, Raonic only has his serve and Dimitrov hasn't shown me he has the mentality to be a champion. By champions standard, not normal top 30 player's standard, champions standards, Dimitrov is a gutless man. I don't feel he's a good matchplayer and is completely style over substance.

As for the 18/19 year olds, I don't really think you can make any definitive predictions on which player's will be roaming the top 10 but I am pretty confident Carreno Busta will be top 20, that I am 80% sure on. Vesley is debatable, as I haven't liked his game on hardcourts of late. Kryigos I see more as a top 20 player that can occasionally upset the top guys come the future. These other dudes however, who's to say they are any of the ones who'll crop up and take over? There may be a late bloomer for all we know. Nishikori is ofcourse in the mix, I agree but he lacks a real big weapon and very injruy prone.

I just think it's a bit soon to start throwing names out.

I know what the OP is talking about. He's asking whether the slightly younger generation below the Dimitrov, Raonic and Janowicz one will be the successor's to the current top guys as opposed to Dimitrov, Raonic and Janowicz. I think that's complete and utter guess work. IMO there are no Djokovic's, Murray's, Nadal's and Federer's or even Del Potro's out there.... none.... none atm I can see. Some very talented claycourters in Vesley, Carreno and Del Bonis but no one with genuine talent that can cover all surfaces.

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Grigor is just gearing up. Calm down . The rest though? Maybe. Milos has such a limited game, Jerzy isn't exactly intelligent, and Tomic? Less said the better.

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Ok, so some of you think the Milos, Jerzy, Grigor and Tomic generation is crap. You also think Coric, Garin, Quinzi, Kyrgios, Kokki, etc. have not proven themselves so you can't see them taking over.

Question is... Who will? You ramble on, but fail to answer a very simple question. Somebody ought to take over from the Big 4 at one point in time (3, 4, 5, 6 years from now, whatever is your guess). The OP just wants to know in our opinion if the 22/23 yos of today will take over from the current big4 or if they will be leaped over by younger guys by the time the Big4 is gone. It's a simple question, really.

To answer the OP and stay on topic, I think the current crop of 17/18 year olds will not take over from the current Big 4 directly. I think there will be a transition period, and the next Grand Slam winning generation will be the 22/23 year olds of today. I don't think they will dominate for long, though. But just enough to get their 'time under the sun' as the OP phrased it.


Some very nice points made in the thread overall 2014 might be the defining year for Grigor and co. They'll have to start making past the 4th round/QFs at the slams and beat the non-big 4 top 10 players (and possibly even a big 4 member) at a few of the big events.

Also, do you guys see any chances of one (or many) of the Kyrgios gen winning slams at 19-20 years of age? Many seem to assume that none of them will be slam-ready until 23-24 years of age like the Jerzy gen. I know it is too early to predict anything at this point as the young players tend to progress/regress a lot in a few months. But since we are predicting the future anyway, why not have a go So, none of you think any of the ~17 year olds are prodigious talents?

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I don't think that's the best comparison at all. Those players had far more ability than the current 4 mentioned. They also achieved a lot of success at an early age.
You're taking the comparison literally, whereas I mean it principally. I'm not arguing that any one of them are going to end up as multi-major champions (Kuerten) or even that they'll match the success of someone like Moya. I'm simply saying they're not going to be the dominant generation people are hoping for.

As you've pointed out, they've already missed the boat on making serious inroads early. By the time the current regime begins to die out, the younger talent should be ready to pick up where they left off. Jerzy et al. may never be the alphas of any era, just as the former group never were between the Sampras and Federer era.

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Milos was the 5th best in the world on hardcourts in 2013 with a 36-12 record, dimitrov had a huge win on clay vs djokovic, and jerzy had a great run on grass at wim, so as much as people like to hate, it seems like those 3 started to make there move in 2013, tomic well thats another story, he is more then capable, but not yet committed.

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Bump. What does MTF think now? Do Grigor, Raonic, Kei and Jerzy have enough time to rack up the slams?

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Bump. What does MTF think now? Do Grigor, Raonic, Kei and Jerzy have enough time to rack up the slams?
Props on the sly Kei for Tomic switcharoo. Janowicz must have survived your purge by a hairs breadth.

Yeah, it's only a matter of time before we see that 2001/2002 style changing of the guard.
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Props on the sly Kei for Tomic switcharoo. Janowicz must have survived your purge by a hairs breadth.

Yeah, it's only a matter of time before we see that 2001/2002 style changing of the guard.
Tough times indeed. The shortest ATP match didn't help his cause

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My dad actually said to during Wimbledon 'There's a lot of exciting young players coming through now, huh?'

Raonic, Dimitrov, Kyrgios is who he was talking about - so, next gen Federer, Nadal and DJokovic? I doubt it very much.

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Janowicz will rise.

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My dad actually said to during Wimbledon 'There's a lot of exciting young players coming through now, huh?'

Raonic, Dimitrov, Kyrgios is who he was talking about - so, next gen Federer, Nadal and DJokovic? I doubt it very much.

We're heading for another Hewitt, JCF, Johansson, Safin period
This is a bit of an insult to some of these players. Hewitt world no 1 age 18 including owning the previous GOAT, Sampras, before he was 30. Safin world no 1 and US Open champion at age 20, also destroying Sampras. All of Dimitrov, Raonic and company are still bending for 33 year old Federer, let alone Nadal and Djokovic.
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