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Re: Are Djokovic and Nadal co-champions for 2013?

2012 should be considered a joint year; 3 guys are in the mix, as for this year, no

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Actually, not even 1971 had two co-champions.

Rankings December 6, 1971

Those are unofficial rankings calculated using the official ranking system of 1973 (the first ranking system used).
The Martini-Ross award voted for by 11 journalists was given jointly to Smith and Newcombe; they both received 96 points (out of 110).

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to the random silly ITF award
1978 Connors ATP computer No. 1, Borg ITF World Champion. Who was right?
1982 McEnroe ATP computer No. 1, Connors ITF World Champion. Who was right?
1989 Lendl ATP computer No. 1, Becker ITF World Champion. Who was right?

It looks like ITF World Champion award is a more reliable indicator who is the best player than ATP computer No. 1.

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Yes,

2 slams = 1 slam and 1 master Final title

GO Roger Federer, Nick Kyrgios, Borna Coric, Vasek Pospisil, Thomaz Bellucci, Kei Nishikori, , Milos Raonic, Jerzy Janowicz, Grigor Dimitrov, Dennis Novikov and Bernard Tomic

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So if I understand this correctly, Djokovic was the best in 2013 in your "view"?
In his view Nole is the GOAT period.

So much imagination and excuses for losses.
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It looks like ITF World Champion award is a more reliable indicator who is the best player than ATP computer No. 1.
Pretty easy to figure out, just ask Djokovic which he'd prefer, his 2013 results or Nadal's 2013 results
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2 slams = 1 slam

It's basic math

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The Martini-Ross award voted for by 11 journalists was given jointly to Smith and Newcombe; they both received 96 points (out of 110).



1978 Connors ATP computer No. 1, Borg ITF World Champion. Who was right?
1982 McEnroe ATP computer No. 1, Connors ITF World Champion. Who was right?
1989 Lendl ATP computer No. 1, Becker ITF World Champion. Who was right?

It looks like ITF World Champion award is a more reliable indicator who is the best player than ATP computer No. 1.
Nadal won more matches, more slams, more masters and more titles overall. It would be pretty hard to argue that Djokovic was the better player.
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Nadal got destroyed by an injured guy ranked 135th in the world. That is fucking embarrassing. People still think he a good champion? Cheating, pushing, moonballing and taking advantage of players UE doesn't make a good player kids No supposed top player has ever suffered such a hilarious loss. No doubt Toni was going to leak his usual "injury" BS until Darcis had to pull out.

2013, great year!!! Dull fans pretending they thought it was his best year amused me, don't they realise what an insult that is to their crush? 2010 was his best year, with the worst level of competition ever. Even then it isn't close to truly GOAT years, it has been forgotten. VAMOS!

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Like I said, ask Djokovic which he'd prefer, Nadal's 2013 results or Djokovic's 2013 results. Its not even close which he'd prefer.
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i hope they will be co-champions again
next year

if it means
nadal winning +2 grand slams
and destroying the gymnast
in every grand slam tournament they meet

yes co-champions
what a beautiful idea
what do you say cvac tards
do you want to be co-champions
with us again next year
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The Martini-Ross award voted for by 11 journalists was given jointly to Smith and Newcombe; they both received 96 points (out of 110).



1978 Connors ATP computer No. 1, Borg ITF World Champion. Who was right?
1982 McEnroe ATP computer No. 1, Connors ITF World Champion. Who was right?
1989 Lendl ATP computer No. 1, Becker ITF World Champion. Who was right?

It looks like ITF World Champion award is a more reliable indicator who is the best player than ATP computer No. 1.
Actually the most reliable indicator is neither one, but the ATP Player of Year:

1978 Borg ATP Player of Year, Connors one of computer #1 or ITF Champion (laughable)
1982 Connors ATP Player of Year, McEnroe one of computer #1 or ITF Champion (laughable)
1989 Becker ATP Player of Year, Lendl one of computer #1 or ITF Champion (laughable)
1990 Edberg ATP Player of Year, Lendl one of computer #1 or ITF Champion (laughable)
2013 Nadal ATP Player of Year, Djokovic one of computer #1 or ITF Champion (laughable)

Who was ALWAYS right.
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i hope they will be co-champions again
next year

if it means
nadal winning +2 grand slams
and destroying the gymnast
in every grand slam tournament they meet

yes co-champions
what a beautiful idea
what do you say cvac tards
do you want to be co-champions
with us again next year
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Pretty easy to figure out, just ask Djokovic which he'd prefer, his 2013 results or Nadal's 2013 results
Ask Djokovic which he'd prefer in 2014: one slam but French Open or two slams but neither of them FO (on condition that 2014 is his last chance to win French Open).

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Nadal won more matches, more slams, more masters and more titles overall. It would be pretty hard to argue that Djokovic was the better player.
It can be argued that Nadal has a too big hole in his resume to be best player in 2013. He's lost in first round of Wimbledon and skipped AO which means he's done nothing in half of the slams.

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1978 Borg ATP Player of Year, Connors one of computer #1 or ITF Champion (laughable)
1982 Connors ATP Player of Year, McEnroe one of computer #1 or ITF Champion (laughable)
1989 Becker ATP Player of Year, Lendl one of computer #1 or ITF Champion (laughable)
ITF World Champion
1978 Borg
1982 Connors
1989 Becker
http://www.itftennis.com/about/world-champions/men.aspx

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1990 Edberg ATP Player of Year, Lendl one of computer #1 or ITF Champion (laughable)
That's the only time that ITF was wrong.

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2013 Nadal ATP Player of Year
ATP Player of Year award does not exist any more http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Ten...te-Voting.aspx

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Who was ALWAYS right.
Not true. In 1976 Connors was the best player but Borg was voted ATP Player of Year.

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Stop with this BS please, its Nadal clearly. Why can the some people accept the fact that Nadal was the better player this year?

Co-champions would have made more sense last year with Djokovic/Fed or even you could argue for Murray as well.


You see, this is what I don't get: the complete subjectivity of people's judgements.

Let's check numbers, shall we?

Last year Novak finished the year with 12920 points, Roger with 10265 and Andy with 8000. Novak earned 25.86% (2655/10265) more ranking points than Roger and 61.5% (4920/8000) more ranking points than Andy.

This year Rafa ended the year with 13030 points and Novak with 12260. So Rafa earned 6.28% (8770/12260) more ranking points than Novak. It's the smallest difference between the #1 and the #2 players since Roddick, in 2003, passed Roger by an even smaller margin.

I find it hilarious that people (fans and pundits) who last year were claiming that Novak hadn't dominated enough to be considered the top player and that Roger (25.86% less) or even Andy (61.5% less) should be considered co-champions, are the ones up in arms about similar claims this year, when the difference in points is so much smaller.

I believe computer ranking points was the best decision the ATP could have made to put a stop to blatant bias in judging tennis achievements. Numbers don't lie.

Rafa was the best overall player this year, I have no problem whatsoever with that, the ranking points prove it. But they also show that Novak was much closer to him than any #2 had been to #1 since 2003.

And let's not forget that if Novak had lost to Rafa in the finals of RG and Canada, instead of the semis, Nole would have 720 points more, and the difference would be only 50 points. This year Novak and Rafa will very likely be the top seeds in all the events they play, at least for the first 6 months of the season.

2014 will be a very interesting year indeed.

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Nadal can gain HUGE in 2014, maximum points at AO, Miami, Wimbledon.
Djokovic can't gain that much anywhere.
All Nadal, all year.
Year Ending #1 for the 4th year, just one behind Federer.
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