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RF the most versatile since Bjorn Borg ?

With 5 tournies on clay (incl. 3 TMS) and 4 tournies on grass (incl. 2W), I think Federer is the successor of Borg, with the rarest skill in tennis: mastering both clay and grass.
Ask Coria and Roddick what they think about it...

"I asked a bloke in the front row if he liked the serve-and-volley stuff," said Rafter. "He said he did but asked if he was going to get to see any rallies. 'Not today, mate,' I told him."

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Re: RF the most versatile since Bjorn Borg ?

I forgot that Federer was a good tennis player.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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I forgot that Federer was a good tennis player.
Yep, but he really starts to enter a new league winning consistently clay TMS, he's starting to achieve something very few players have achieved before: winning consistently and over the years important TITLES on ALL types of surface...

"I asked a bloke in the front row if he liked the serve-and-volley stuff," said Rafter. "He said he did but asked if he was going to get to see any rallies. 'Not today, mate,' I told him."

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Yep, but he really starts to enter a new league winning consistently clay TMS, he's starting to achieve something NO ONE has achieved before: winning consistently and over the years important TITLES on ALL types of surface...
Why do feel the need to brag about him to this level, though not to the makro level? People and real tennis fans know how good Federer is and how he is the standard the rest of the players have to rise to.

Is it because there is a threat from other players getting some limelight?

He has to win Wimbledon and RG in the same year before he could be compared to Borg.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Why do feel the need to brag about him to this level, though not to the makro level? People and real tennis fans know how good Federer is and how he is the standard the rest of the players have to rise to.

Is it because there is a threat from other players getting some limelight?

He has to win Wimbledon and RG in the same year before he could be compared to Borg.
Just because it's quite rare, and it seems that with Nadal we could have two very complete players on the tour, which is even rarer...

"I asked a bloke in the front row if he liked the serve-and-volley stuff," said Rafter. "He said he did but asked if he was going to get to see any rallies. 'Not today, mate,' I told him."
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Re: RF the most versatile since Bjorn Borg ?

You two get too predictable
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You two get too predictable
Aren't you due to make excuses justifying Federer's defeats?

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Aren't you due to make excuses justifying Federer's defeats?
Yes, I am a regular thread-starter pouring out excuses for Roger's numerous defeats
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Yes, I am a regular thread-starter pouring out excuses for Roger's numerous defeats
You want predictability, so I am following your example.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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You want predictability .
On the contrary: I commented that you two are too predictable on the subject. I admit I am bored, but not so bored to continue this
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Re: RF the most versatile since Bjorn Borg ?

Agassi is most versatile player since Borg. He has won all GS.
When Fed wins RG, then it will be him.
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With 5 tournies on clay (incl. 3 TMS) and 4 tournies on grass (incl. 2W), I think Federer is the successor of Borg, with the rarest skill in tennis: mastering both clay and grass.
Ask Coria and Roddick what they think about it...
I think that Federer is the true sucessor to Borg and I hope that Borg can hold on to the 5 Wimbledon titles record.

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Agassi is most versatile player since Borg. He has won all GS.
When Fed wins RG, then it will be him.
Agassi is quite versatile but mostly in Grand Slams, and his victories in Wimby and Roland Garros are great but have not been confirmed with other titles. He did many semis, finals, etc., but the recuring titles are the mark of greatest ever, cf Laver, Borg, Sampras... AO is Agassi trademark, which is with USO the "non specialist" slam...
I agree that Federer needs a RG title to be officially labelled "versatile", but his double Wimby + triple Hamburg is quite impressive given the fields he had to beat in these events. Even this year his draw was call the "hell draw"...

"I asked a bloke in the front row if he liked the serve-and-volley stuff," said Rafter. "He said he did but asked if he was going to get to see any rallies. 'Not today, mate,' I told him."
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On the contrary: I commented that you two are too predictable on the subject. I admit I am bored, but not so bored to continue this
I'm not a makro120 replica, I'm a true Fed fan but I enjoy and appreciate other players. Here I'm just puting a bit of nuance in the classic "Federer is great" by mentioning that besides his proven dominance on hard courts, Fed manages to win important titles both on clay and grass, on a consistent basis. After all they are not so numerous the Wimby double-winners who have a triple MS on clay... actually I don't know anyone...

"I asked a bloke in the front row if he liked the serve-and-volley stuff," said Rafter. "He said he did but asked if he was going to get to see any rallies. 'Not today, mate,' I told him."
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Agassi is most versatile player since Borg. He has won all GS.
When Fed wins RG, then it will be him.
agassi isnt versatile, he's useless on grass and clay... and maybe hardcourt too
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