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This stat clearly favours players with no "head" or "tail" to their career. Best example is Borg, who became very good very early and never played until a decline. Nadal has copied this trajectory so far. Federer has both head and tail, going a lot more slams before winning his 1st and also letting his % drop significantly the last few years. Sampras also, he won his 1st early but waited quite a bit for his 2nd.

Percentages can be fun, but just to demonstrate how misleading they can be: It is better for Nadal's RG win percentage to retire now than it would be for him to win it six more times the next seven years and lose once in the final....

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poor Rafa , injured 64% of time
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Paella Fatbutt is only 27. Wait for his percentage at 30, if he even plays at that age.
Even factoring the future, Rafa will have the best % amongst the current Top 4/

Roger has played 22 more Majors with 4 extra Titles . No way, Rafa will play for 5 more years and if he does, it will be because he will still be winning. If he plays 22 more Majors, he would accumulate 6-7 Titles. His ratio will be better than Roger.

Novak has played the same amount of Majors and has 6 Titles. Unless he goes on a unheard of and unrealistic Title spree at the Major Titles, Novak's ratio will be far lower than Rafa . Now and forever . Novak does not have that much years left to narrow the gap in Titles and the ratio with Rafa.

Murray is way down there , so need to discuss his chances AT THIS POINT.

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This sort of assessment diminishes the value of longevity. It posits that a higher win percentage is to be valued more than the total number of wins and titles, which gives an unfair advantage to those who choose to retire young (i.e. Borg).

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Although Slade's comment is clearly subjective (as he hates Nadal to pieces), he is correct. Nadal's percentage (as well as Nole's, Federer's and Murray's) will modify as they age and they increase the number of GS appearances without winning a title. It is not final yet.
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Re: An interesting stat that favours nadal

People here need to start evaluating Fed and Nadal's careers AFTER they have finished them and not before.


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This stat clearly favours players with no "head" or "tail" to their career. Best example is Borg, who became very good very early and never played until a decline.

Borg tried a comeback after his peak years, though. And he got bageled by Goran Prpic

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Borg tried a comeback after his peak years, though. And he got bageled by Goran Prpic
That's true, but he didn't play any slam in his comeback.

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Re: An interesting stat that favours nadal

As other said this is affected by longevity and many other factors. From Wimbledon 2003 to USO 2007 Federer won 67% of the slams, which is just ridiculous over a 4.5 year period.

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Not playing a slam is better than finishing runner-up, at least as far as this statistic is concerned.
And retiring at 26 is the "best" for this statistic. Early bloomers and early retirees benefit. This stat doesn't reward longevity. Skipping tournaments is better than consistency (or finishing runner-up, as you say).
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Re: An interesting stat that favours nadal

As some others have commented that percentage will most likely drop unless he pulls a Borg and retires will still near or at the top. I don't have time to check, but do those stats include Rafa's GS absences?

*Edit* nevermind, I guess after reading the comments I got my answer. Either way, while the stat is cool, but it is kind of an unfair stat to use especially right now when Rafa hasn't finished his career and has skipped several slams in his career.

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Good stat. Maybe lower as he ages but still a good one. Probably Fed's was better at age 27 too.
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Being at 36% after 30+ slams played is pretty amazing (and yeah, of course the percentage will drop).

Wasn't aware of these statistics, thanks for posting.

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- yeah, im a new account and i decided to open a new thread on my first message. however, i read here for long time and i have MA in relations between fed-rafa fans in MTF.

- yeah, im a rafa fan.

- fed is the greatest in history, in any possible star on the planet (calm down u fed fans).


Ive been thinking about this stat for some time and somehow i dont hear it said enough during all those silly discussions about "the greatest". therefore, i decided to do a short research and to bring you the percentege of a players GS titles within the number of GS apperances he has:

Rafa - 36% (13 out of 36)
Roger - 29% (17 out of 58)
Nole - 16% (6 out of 36)
Murray - 6% (2 out of 30)

The only one who comes in my mind that surpass rafa is borg (who has 40%. sampras has 26%). I know that im not surprising anyone here with this stats, but i do think that its something that we should pay attention to.
obviously Nadal's percent of Grand Slams won out of those played will probably decrease dramatically if he plays long enough BUT it is a pretty amazing stat
he has one more than 1/3 of all slams he's played in his career. that is just absolutely nuts

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This stat clearly favours players with no "head" or "tail" to their career. Best example is Borg, who became very good very early and never played until a decline. Nadal has copied this trajectory so far. Federer has both head and tail, going a lot more slams before winning his 1st and also letting his % drop significantly the last few years. Sampras also, he won his 1st early but waited quite a bit for his 2nd.

Percentages can be fun, but just to demonstrate how misleading they can be: It is better for Nadal's RG win percentage to retire now than it would be for him to win it six more times the next seven years and lose once in the final....
the stat really is not that misleading, just because Nadal had no 'head' of his career where he really had to grow and build a lot is not a negative thing in this case BECAUSE he has continued for winning so long
a negative great heading of a career would be like in Hewitt's case, where he won so much from the get-go but burnt out quickly. Nadal has not done that so, yes, the reality is that the lack of a "tail" of his career definitely skews this stat but regardless there are some great numbers

it is fairly unparalleled to be so consistently great at slams for for every season of your career. from 2005 Nadal has won a slam every season. that's sick

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Good stat. Maybe lower as he ages but still a good one. Probably Fed's was better at age 27 too.
I believe that at 27 and four months he was at 34% so it was better for him too.

It's an interesting stat and it does favour Nadal, however it shouldn't have a bearing on the GOAT discussion in my opinion.

I agree with acacacacademy.

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