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So, as Nadal wins Monte Carlo and Barcelona back-to-back...

...isn't it nice that the clay season has provided us with a surprising, unpredictable alternative to the fastcourt domination of Federer? As undomiele said in the "Is it me?" thread a month or so back, you can always count upon the clay season to take tennis in a new and unexpected direction.


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Re: So, as Nadal wins Monte Carlo and Barcelona back-to-back...

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...isn't it nice that the clay season has provided us with a surprising, unpredictable alternative to the fastcourt domination of Federer? As undomiele said in the "Is it me?" thread a month or so back, you can always count upon the clay season to take tennis in a new and unexpected direction.

That is why it is my favorite surface.

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Re: So, as Nadal wins Monte Carlo and Barcelona back-to-back...

You miss my point. Federer has a 35-2 record for the year, Nadal a 35-6 one. Federer has five titles, Nadal has four. Between them they have won the first three TMS events of the year plus the two biggest optional events so far. They are the top two in the Champions Race by some way.

The point is, there will always be domination on every surface. The results of the last two weeks have been no more unpredictable than Federer's were on faster courts; surprise surprise, we're seeing the same player dominate on clay that we saw doing well in big hardcourt events at the AO and Miami. The claycourt season has provided us with a few surprise packages, such as Ferrero's pleasing resurgence of form and the good results of aggressive players such as Gasquet and Sexy Radek, but as of yet (and that has to be emphasised) there are no unexpected floaters winning the big events.

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ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

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of course, it's lovely to spice things up. fed was so damn boring. i hope nadal never loses again, because worshipping him is way more fun!!
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if only there were as many clay court tourneys as hard court ones... *sigh*
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Re: So, as Nadal wins Monte Carlo and Barcelona back-to-back...

The change of pace from Nadal winning like this is pleasing, but I am not suprised particularly.
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Re: So, as Nadal wins Monte Carlo and Barcelona back-to-back...

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You miss my point. Federer has a 35-2 record for the year, Nadal a 35-6 one. Federer has five titles, Nadal has four. Between them they have won the first three TMS events of the year plus the two biggest optional events so far. They are the top two in the Champions Race by some way.

The point is, there will always be domination on every surface. The results of the last two weeks have been no more unpredictable than Federer's were on faster courts.
Thanks for the clarification.

Out of curiosity, in your opinion (which I value a lot along with GWH) which surface's dominance provide a more "all-rounded" player?

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clay is my favorite surface and i am happy for Nadal. i don't need to invoke Federer's name in order to celebrate Nadal's superb accomplishhment. the need to do so borders on the pathetic IMO.

then again i am just as happy that Federer rules. seems i can't lose for winning.

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of course, it's lovely to spice things up. fed was so damn boring. i hope nadal never loses again, because worshipping him is way more fun!!
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PaulieM, Rogi is still the king.

But I too don't mind Nadal being up there with him.

As for the non-Nadal threads, go kill them girl.

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Thanks for the clarification.

Out of curiosity, in your opinion (which I value a lot along with GWH) which surface's dominance provide a more "all-rounded" player?
Hard to say. Obviously Nadal will win the majority of his points from the baseline rather than on the serve/at the net, but then considering the slowness of the IW/Miami courts it's not as though Federer was winning most of his matches in the forecourt either. They are both exceptional players who are capable of changing their games under pressure, so in that sense they are both well-rounded despite the differences in their style of play and their best surfaces.

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ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

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clay is my favorite surface and i am happy for Nadal. i don't need to invoke Federer's name in order to celebrate Nadal's superb accomplishhment. the need to do so borders on the pathetic IMO.

then again i am just as happy that Federer rules. seems i can't lose for winning.
That's not what I'm trying to do at all - just pointing out that there will always be a select few dominating at every stage of the year. This was actually an attempt to convince people to stop complaining about Federer's domination, but it may have backfired.

Anyway, I don't resent Nadal for his accomplishments, I just hope that someone else will come up with a big win in the next couple of tournaments. Someone whose middle name is not Weasel.

The Wit and Wisdom of the Tennis Journalist, Indian Wells 2004

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
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We have a fresh new face "dominating" said surface, but trust me if this holds up for some time, people will get tired of it. happy though for Nadal, its about time he starts winning things and stops getting injured while playing on his favorite surface. Though he needs to win RG in the years to come to really make an impact.

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We have a fresh new face "dominating" said surface, but trust me if this holds up for some time, people will get tired of it. happy though for Nadal, its about time he starts winning things and stops getting injured while playing on his favorite surface. Though he needs to win RG in the years to come to really make an impact.
Exactly - these things always go in cycles. Come to think of it, I suppose the Nadal backlash has already begun in many respects. But then as tc once said on this subject, people will always want what they haven't got. Imagine the outrage among Nadal/Federer/Coria fans if Oscar Hernandez succeeded in claiming the RG crown as well as the Wimbledon title that is his destiny this year.

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ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

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ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
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You miss my point. Federer has a 35-2 record for the year, Nadal a 35-6 one. Federer has five titles, Nadal has four. Between them they have won the first three TMS events of the year plus the two biggest optional events so far. They are the top two in the Champions Race by some way.

The point is, there will always be domination on every surface. The results of the last two weeks have been no more unpredictable than Federer's were on faster courts; surprise surprise, we're seeing the same player dominate on clay that we saw doing well in big hardcourt events at the AO and Miami. The claycourt season has provided us with a few surprise packages, such as Ferrero's pleasing resurgence of form and the good results of aggressive players such as Gasquet and Sexy Radek, but as of yet (and that has to be emphasised) there are no unexpected floaters winning the big events.
Sexy Radek is an aggressive player?
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