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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 04-21-2005, 03:44 AM Thread Starter
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Lucky Loser question

Is the potential lucky loser required to stay around after Qualifying in case some one in the main draw pulls out? and for how long?

Sometimes a 2nd. lucky loser even gets into the main draw -- several days after the main tournament has begun.
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Re: Lucky Loser question

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Is the potential lucky loser required to stay around after Qualifying in case some one in the main draw pulls out? and for how long?

Sometimes a 2nd. lucky loser even gets into the main draw -- several days after the main tournament has begun.
not required but its wise to do so.
they have to meet the sign in deadline each day and if you miss that deadline you miss the boat (esp if you were the top ranked of the qualifiers that lost in final qual rd).


quite a few players just stick around and practice for another 2-3 days as alot of players are there and you'll get a decent hit before moving onto the next event.
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Re: Lucky Loser question

Well the Lucky Loser is the highest ranked qualifier that lost in the qualies. They can stick around the tournament or not, that is their choice.

As for several days that isn't true as most 1st rounds are played only over 2 days (US open excepted), the player from the Main Draw would have to withdrawn within a specific timeframe for a lucky loser to take their place.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: Lucky Loser question

anyone know who the luckiest loser has been in a big tourney? anyone won a slam or done some damage at a slam?
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esp if you were the top ranked of the qualifiers that lost in final qual rd
When you say "top ranked", do you mean highest seed of the qualifying draw to make the final round?


Both TheBoiledEgg & GWH, please provide responses. Thanks.
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Re: Lucky Loser question

Yes, devotee we meant that's how the Lucky Loser is decided it goes down the list of rankings of the highest ranked player that has lost in qualies.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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They can stick around the tournament or not, that is their choice.
If they don't stick around and a lucky loser is needed to replace a main draw entrant, then who becomes the next in line lucky loser?
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If they don't stick around and a lucky loser is needed to replace a main draw entrant, then who becomes the next in line lucky loser?
I explained that already, it goes down the ranking list of the losers in the last qualifying round.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: Lucky Loser question

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anyone know who the luckiest loser has been in a big tourney? anyone won a slam or done some damage at a slam?
The last time a lucky loser won a title: 1991 Sao Paulo/Christan Miniussi

The last time a lucky loser reached a final: 1999 Halle/Nicklas Kulti

The last time a lucky loser reached a semifinal: 2004 AMS Toronto/Thomas Johansson
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The last time a lucky loser won a title: 1991 Sao Paulo/Christan Miniussi

The last time a lucky loser reached a final: 1999 Halle/Nicklas Kulti

The last time a lucky loser reached a semifinal: 2004 AMS Toronto/Thomas Johansson

Where did you get these stats from?
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Re: Lucky Loser question

But sometimes a top seed gets a bye into the 2nd round then he pulls out at the last moment. Then Thursday would be the last day a LL has to hang around if he wants to.

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Roger Federer, Lleyton Hewitt, Marat Safin, Tommy Haas

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Re: Lucky Loser question

I know that in 2001, Ljubicic reached 1/4 as a LL in AMS Miami (96 draw).

MARIO ANCIC
IVAN LJUBICIC
IVO KARLOVIC

ROGER FEDERER
MARAT SAFIN
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ANDRE AGASSI, GASTON GAUDIO, GAEL MONFILS, MARIN CILIC, ROKO KARANUSIC

GORAN IVANISEVIC
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Re: Lucky Loser question

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anyone know who the luckiest loser has been in a big tourney? anyone won a slam or done some damage at a slam?
I don't even remember a Lucky Loser making the Quarter Finals or a 4th round at a Slam, let alone any further.

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Where did you get these stats from?
ATP media guide
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Re: Lucky Loser question

So if the LL place goes to the highest-ranked qualy loser, is that not a bit unfair on, say, those who were lower-ranked but had managed to get to the finals of qualifying ahead of them? What I mean is that the top seeds can just as easily lose early in qualifying as the lower-ranked guys, but they still have this 'safety net'.

My German guys are like the cast of the Wizard of Oz:

Rainer = Lion
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Tommy = Tin Man
Flo = Dorothy

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