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deserves more respect...UPDATE on 10/9/05

in general with some people on here, but more specifically for winning the french open. know who i'm talking about?

andre agassi....

people dont seem to want to give him credit for that slam. was described yesterday i think by world beater (i might be wrong, my memory sucks) as a 'powderpuff draw.' ok, did agassi beat all the top clay courters to win it that year? no he didn't, but he did beat moya and medvedev. but more importantly, so what?! were all the top players boycotting the event that year? nope. who played that year....

the draw had:
gaudio
sampras
safin
hewitt
rios
federer (a very young one)
moya
medvedev
muster
kuerten
korda
kafelnikov
chang
haas
gaudenzi
carlsen
corretja
costa
canas
berasategui
ivanisevic

in the end, you can only beat the people you play.

and beyond that:
reached the semis in 88 and took wilander to 5sets
reached the final in 90 beating courier, chang and svensson en route
reached the final in 91 losing in 5 sets to courier
reached the semis in 92
lost in qf in 95
lost a great match to safin in 98
and obviously won in 99
reached the qf in 01
reached the qf in 02 (losing to ferrero)
reached the qf in 03 (losing to coria)

so....winner once, runner-up twice, semi-finalist twice, quarter-finalist four times by my reckoning. that looks pretty damn good to me!

UPDATE: 5-2 vs ginepri in 5th set...come on andre the great!!!

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no arguments from me!
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we take so many of these players' performances for granted. nice post federer-express

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You're baiting GWH and his pathological obsession with Americans and clay, aren't you?

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You're baiting GWH and his pathological obsession with Americans and clay, aren't you?
we had been getting on so well too. oh well, gotta wind him up sometimes

no, not directed at him although i know he really wanted medvedev to beat agassi. i think he would probably have to agree with this, as he gets pissed when gaudio doesn't get the respect he deserves for his win there too.

who knows...he may think i'm just talking outta my backside again
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The draw doesn't matter, Medvedev deserved the title more, that's why I don't give Andre that much credit.

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gaudio and canas were ranked very low. he was lucky by not playing either safin ,Rios ,guga or even corretja.

he had a good win agaisnt moya after trailing 4-6 1-4 but I do not know if moya choked
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he was lucky by not playing either safin ,Rios ,guga or even corretja.
that argument doesn't hold for me because they all lost to somebody. agassi went those 2 weeks undefeated and so deserved the title and some credit for it. no?
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You're baiting GWH and his pathological obsession with Americans and clay, aren't you?
It can be worse than my sex obssession we all need to wear grass crucifix until RG

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The draw doesn't matter, Medvedev deserved the title more, that's why I don't give Andre that much credit.
deserving is one thing, getting the job done is another
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The draw doesn't matter, Medvedev deserved the title more, that's why I don't give Andre that much credit.
Come on. You're too smart and know enough about tennis to post something like this. Andre took his chance, and he deserved it

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Few of Andre's slams took more guts than that title. He came back from behind in several matches, and faced a lot of tight pressure situations. It was in this sense that he showed an increased maturity that wasn't there in 1990, 1991.

In terms of his tennis skills vis-a-vis the clay court players around at the time, Andre probably should have won the finals in 1990 and/or 1991. For him to pull out the victory in 1999, when he was NOT really one of the best clay court players in the world anymore, was very impressive.

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Few of Andre's slams took more guts than that title. He came back from behind in several matches, and faced a lot of tight pressure situations. It was in this sense that he showed an increased maturity that wasn't there in 1990, 1991.

In terms of his tennis skills vis-a-vis the clay court players around at the time, Andre probably should have won the finals in 1990 and/or 1991. For him to pull out the victory in 1999, when he was NOT really one of the best clay court players in the world anymore, was very impressive.
posts like this will be why you have an appreciation thread
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posts like this will be why you have an appreciation thread

Theres no denying what a great player Agassi is, if you cant appreciate his great timing of the ball you cant simply appreciate tennis. His groundies are legendary, his return of serve probably the most famous after Connors' return of serve. I mean just look at how long he's been out there, what is this like his 20th year as a pro? He's still a contender at most tournies he enters, especially if they are played on medium paced hard courts. Unfortunately in the past few big tournies he's had to meet Federer before the semis and thats a bit unfair but its life and its how the draws play out.

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Come on. You're too smart and know enough about tennis to post something like this. Andre took his chance, and he deserved it
Maybe I should have put a smiley

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