"Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread" - Page 46 - MensTennisForums.com
View Poll Results: Vote for speeding up the courts or against it!
Speed up the courts 338 79.16%
Leave them as they are 89 20.84%
Voters: 427. You may not vote on this poll

 19Likes
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #676 of 1959 (permalink) Old 06-25-2012, 06:14 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Age: 41
Posts: 1,076
                     
Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

Rackets and strings changed which forced court changes. I think the goal has always been to keep a reasonable balance between serve and return of serve. Have they done that? I don't know.

Fact of the matter is, the game has changed. Is is better or worse? Sort of open to interpretation.

They probably should have kept wooden rackets. Game was more pure way back in the day. It was cat and mouse, more strategy, you couldn't blow people off the courts - you had to construct points and outfox your opponent. It's been a long time since the game was like that though.

My personal feeling is the courts are fast enough. Ball bashing shouldn't be rewarded IMO. You should have to construct points to win, not just unleash 100 MPH haymakers when behind in a point and win. That's not tennis in my book. But that's just my opinion. I favor slower surfaces like clay because they can still have that cat and mouse feel.
ahadabans is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #677 of 1959 (permalink) Old 09-11-2012, 04:59 PM
Registered User
 
FairWeatherFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 970
                     
Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

The courts have been deliberately slowed down in order to make the sport more marketable.

If the courts are at a consistent speed, it is easier for the same group of players to continually reach the latter stages of tournaments. This provides a "consistent narrative" to the sport which can be used for marketing purposes. Quite simply, the tennis authorities in the past did not like it when randoms such as Thomas Johansson won slams. It is much better for marketing purposes - at least to the casual fan - if the same group of players dominate. The media can play up rivalries between the "big four", and they can claim that it is a "golden era" of the sport because the big four are so much further ahead of the field, although both these effects have been artificially manipulated. You can see these lines trotted out by many mainstream tennis journalists.

However, this approach has had a number of deleterious effects on the sport:
1. Lack of diversity in playing styles - true grass-court and clay-court tennis are rarely seen these days. Uniformity in surfaces obviously produces uniformity in playing styles.
2. More physical matches and more injuries due to the slower court surfaces, particularly on hardcourt. The more physical nature of matches has been epitomised by this year's AO and US Open finals.
3. Increase in average age of players on tour - interrelated with 2), the younger players find it more difficult to compete in more physical matches and hence more players are peaking in the latter stages of their career.
4. Fewer upsets and more predictability in results which is a negative for some portions of the fan-base.
5. Lack of depth - amongst players outside of the top four, less points are required to be in the top 50 than in previous years.

From a marketing perspective the "consistent narrative" provided by the slower court speeds attracts a broader cross-section of casual fans of the sport but risks alienating those fans who are already adherents to the sport due to the deleterious effects listed above.
FairWeatherFan is offline  
post #678 of 1959 (permalink) Old 09-11-2012, 05:08 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Age: 26
Posts: 574
                     
Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

Add more speed to the Wimbledon and US open pls!

Miloserve Rocketnic & Johnny ServIsner

Roger Federer | Grigor Dimitrov | Dominic Thiem | Nick Kyrgios | Alexander Zverev
cmoss is offline  
post #679 of 1959 (permalink) Old 09-11-2012, 05:13 PM
country flag Tag
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Age: 27
Posts: 3,262
                     
Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

Quote:
Originally Posted by FairWeatherFan View Post
The courts have been deliberately slowed down in order to make the sport more marketable.

If the courts are at a consistent speed, it is easier for the same group of players to continually reach the latter stages of tournaments. This provides a "consistent narrative" to the sport which can be used for marketing purposes. Quite simply, the tennis authorities in the past did not like it when randoms such as Thomas Johansson won slams. It is much better for marketing purposes - at least to the casual fan - if the same group of players dominate. The media can play up rivalries between the "big four", and they can claim that it is a "golden era" of the sport because the big four are so much further ahead of the field, although both these effects have been artificially manipulated. You can see these lines trotted out by many mainstream tennis journalists.

However, this approach has had a number of deleterious effects on the sport:
1. Lack of diversity in playing styles - true grass-court and clay-court tennis are rarely seen these days. Uniformity in surfaces obviously produces uniformity in playing styles.
2. More physical matches and more injuries due to the slower court surfaces, particularly on hardcourt. The more physical nature of matches has been epitomised by this year's AO and US Open finals.
3. Increase in average age of players on tour - interrelated with 2), the younger players find it more difficult to compete in more physical matches and hence more players are peaking in the latter stages of their career.
4. Fewer upsets and more predictability in results which is a negative for some portions of the fan-base.
5. Lack of depth - amongst players outside of the top four, less points are required to be in the top 50 than in previous years.

From a marketing perspective the "consistent narrative" provided by the slower court speeds attracts a broader cross-section of casual fans of the sport but risks alienating those fans who are already adherents to the sport due to the deleterious effects listed above.
spot on

disgusting manipulation of the playing surfaces has killed all court tennis
Tag is offline  
post #680 of 1959 (permalink) Old 09-12-2012, 05:39 AM
Forum Umpire:
Gaston Gaudio
 
Action Jackson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 124,507
                     
Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

FairWeather is right for the most part as to why it has happened and the consequences.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

Quote:
Originally Posted by Filo V. View Post
I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
Action Jackson is offline  
post #681 of 1959 (permalink) Old 09-12-2012, 06:20 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,401
                     
Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Featherer View Post
The USO surface allows more spin than a grass court. But I don't know to what extent that makes one of them faster than the other.
Obviously the answer to that is grass/Wimbledon = faster than USO/hard surface

Elementary physics dictates that (assuming all else is more or less equal) more spin = more power needed to maintain speed. Otherwise a spinning ball flies slower than a flat one.
Raiden is offline  
post #682 of 1959 (permalink) Old 09-21-2012, 02:19 AM
Registered User
 
kafkavert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 50
                     
Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

4, 5 hours matches are a tragedy! YOu can't bring Tennis to Network TV with 4, 5 hours of pushing!
kafkavert is offline  
post #683 of 1959 (permalink) Old 09-22-2012, 04:06 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Age: 36
Posts: 640
                     
Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

That "indoor" court in St. Petersburg is a disgrace. It's slower than Estoril. No aces and no one is holdng serve. Disgusting.
Mr.Michael is offline  
post #684 of 1959 (permalink) Old 09-22-2012, 04:13 PM
Registered User
 
Marcoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 402
                     
Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

Faster courts, are definitely gonna be better for us, the Audience. But what about the players ? I can't really tell if that would be better for them or not
Marcoo is offline  
post #685 of 1959 (permalink) Old 09-22-2012, 04:39 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Age: 36
Posts: 640
                     
Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

I really hope that Brad Drewett, who's an old school Australian fast court player is happy now. That stupid semi in St.Petersburg was almost 4 hours! On a indoor court. And one player involved is Youzhny, who's basically a shot maker.

RIP tennis.
Mr.Michael is offline  
post #686 of 1959 (permalink) Old 09-22-2012, 04:41 PM
Registered User
 
Jverweij's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Age: 34
Posts: 5,195
                     
Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Michael View Post
I really hope that Brad Drewett, who's an old school Australian fast court player is happy now. That stupid semi in St.Petersburg was almost 4 hours! On a indoor court. And one player involved is Youzhny, who's basically a shot maker.

RIP tennis.
had nothing to do with the court speed mate. Both Youhzhny and Klizan have very poor serves, with little pace, so there were way too many returns put into play. Both were chocking and playing it safe. The result was a WTA-match...in the ATP.
Jverweij is offline  
post #687 of 1959 (permalink) Old 09-22-2012, 04:48 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Age: 36
Posts: 640
                     
Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jverweij View Post
had nothing to do with the court speed mate. Both Youhzhny and Klizan have very poor serves, with little pace, so there were way too many returns put into play. Both were chocking and playing it safe. The result was a WTA-match...in the ATP.
No no, it's really lightning fast and great old fashioned indoor tennis...

The whole week has been slow as hell. Players serve maybe 2-3 aces per matchand that's combined. Break point stats have been the whole week something like 10/16 in every match and for almost every player.

And I watched that semi final. Yes, it's very very slow out there.
Mr.Michael is offline  
post #688 of 1959 (permalink) Old 09-22-2012, 04:54 PM
Registered User
 
Jverweij's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Age: 34
Posts: 5,195
                     
Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Michael View Post
No no, it's really lightning fast and great old fashioned indoor tennis...

The whole week has been slow as hell. Players serve maybe 2-3 aces per matchand that's combined. Break point stats have been the whole week something like 10/16 in every match and for almost every player.

And I watched that semi final. Yes, it's very very slow out there.
I'm not saying the conditions were fast. But this match was mostly horrible due to both guys not having a dominant serve. This is nothing new for both Mischa and Klizan. The slower court just made this more clear. But it's not as if they slowed these courts down. Murray winning somewhere back to back usually means it's slow.
Jverweij is offline  
post #689 of 1959 (permalink) Old 09-22-2012, 04:57 PM
Registered User
 
finishingmove's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Age: 28
Posts: 23,352
                     
Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

Quote:
Originally Posted by kafkavert View Post
4, 5 hours matches are a tragedy! YOu can't bring Tennis to Network TV with 4, 5 hours of pushing!
Best out of 3 in Slams and use smaller / lighter balls

Nole CYGS 2017
Copy this signature to join the bandwagon before it's too late.
finishingmove is online now  
post #690 of 1959 (permalink) Old 09-22-2012, 05:00 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Age: 36
Posts: 640
                     
Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jverweij View Post
I'm not saying the conditions were fast. But this match was mostly horrible due to both guys not having a dominant serve. This is nothing new for both Mischa and Klizan. The slower court just made this more clear. But it's not as if they slowed these courts down. Murray winning somewhere back to back usually means it's slow.
Seriously, there's not one clay court tournament which is slower than this one. Anyway I don't think that St. Petersburg will be in the ATP-calendar after next year. If they move the indoor tournaments to February.
Mr.Michael is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the MensTennisForums.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome