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This goes back to what Fed always says - there needs to be variety. Some fast, some slow, some medium. Right now it's almost all slow with a few exceptions.

Also, the ATP slowed the courts down to make it more attractive to viewing audiences and to create drama, but I really don't think that's working. If anything, it's become too long to see 3+ hour Bo3 and 5+ hour Bo5 matches and coverage that long doesn't bode well for TV. And we know they slowed the courts down to give the top guys an advantage which is why in the last 4 years Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, and Murray have had a stranglehold on the Slams - because they are the 4 fittest on tour and can handle and outlast all their challengers - and then we can see more matches between those 4.
I agree generally but tbh Ferrer has been the fittest player on the tour the last 18-24 months
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This goes back to what Fed always says - there needs to be variety. Some fast, some slow, some medium. Right now it's almost all slow with a few exceptions.

Also, the ATP slowed the courts down to make it more attractive to viewing audiences and to create drama, but I really don't think that's working. If anything, it's become too long to see 3+ hour Bo3 and 5+ hour Bo5 matches and coverage that long doesn't bode well for TV. And we know they slowed the courts down to give the top guys an advantage which is why in the last 4 years Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, and Murray have had a stranglehold on the Slams - because they are the 4 fittest on tour and can handle and outlast all their challengers - and then we can see more matches between those 4.
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NID that you had to bring up Fed.
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2nd week is clay event.
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Dis-fucking-grace

Tennis is dead and has been since 2008

And will remain so until they speed up the courts

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I'd say 1st week is solid, but no where near good as it used to be. Even solid, 1st week I think Cincy and Canada are faster. So go figure, HC faster than grass. Unacceptable.

2nd week is clay event.
I re-watched the Federer Djokovic Semi-Final a couple of weeks ago. Most striking thing was how few rallies there were (played indoors I know).
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Re: Grinding wins agains, speed up the courts or the sport will die.

Why grinders are better:

Servebots can't wait to quit tennis.

Servebots promoted themselves on biography shows and couldn't admit they depended on serves to outmuscle better players.

Servebots couldn't admit many players choked to Federer due to predictable serves & physical weakness.

Servebots trash talk umpires, lineswomen, the legitimate media & superior players (even when rankings were lower than those of servebots). Servebots believe they're wholeheartedly gracious losers to Federer and that they can declare Fed the greatest player.

After choking with double faults & hiding in the locker room at matches, greedy servebots mindlessly rush to airports to make their pain go away at charity exhibitions.
They were bitter when they didn't get paid at exhibitions after warnings to them about scam charity events.

Servebots whine that clay tennis interfere with their personal lives.

Servebots say they're injured during clay seasons, then pretend they're wonderful for showing up in bad shape on "slow Wimbledon grass".

Servebots blamed "shocking" injuries in their last year of competition, but acted surprised when they won 2 titles.
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At's all about money dude. The don't care about players or styles. They wouldn't mind making it even slower for a longer match.
Seems like you're right.

I agree with Federer on them needing to speed up these courts, and I'm not afraid to admit that I agree with him. In fact, I don't even think fast courts would help him much better any way, considering he's becoming fragile, and might not be able to get to the balls he could get to when he was younger.

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No Fed fan complained about 4 hour marathons of FedDelpo and FedRoddick snoozefests.
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Dis-fucking-grace

Tennis is dead and has been since 2008

And will remain so until they speed up the courts
US Open got slowed down in 2011 so that percentage will have dropped even further.

Anyone have any W-UE stats for say, 2004?

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Why grinders are better:

Servebots can't wait to quit tennis.

Servebots promoted themselves on biography shows and couldn't admit they depended on serves to outmuscle better players.

Servebots couldn't admit many players choked to Federer due to predictable serves & physical weakness.

Servebots trash talk umpires, lineswomen, the legitimate media & superior players (even when rankings were lower than those of servebots). Servebots believe they're wholeheartedly gracious losers to Federer and that they can declare Fed the greatest player.

After choking with double faults & hiding in the locker room at matches, greedy servebots mindlessly rush to airports to make their pain go away at charity exhibitions.
They were bitter when they didn't get paid at exhibitions after warnings to them about scam charity events.

Servebots whine that clay tennis interfere with their personal lives.

Servebots say they're injured during clay seasons, then pretend they're wonderful for showing up in bad shape on "slow Wimbledon grass".

Servebots blamed "shocking" injuries in their last year of competition, but acted surprised when they won 2 titles.
wait a minute I saw what you did there...you were talking about Nadal weren't you? Good for you, finally getting over the Roddick-obsession

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ATP Tour should have much more grass events and less hard. Some hard courts should be sped up or changed to grass. It would be nice to see more variety of surfaces and court speed but with medium-fast as the most popular surface speed. Offensive style should be mildly rewarded just as in some other sports.

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This goes back to what Fed always says - there needs to be variety. Some fast, some slow, some medium. Right now it's almost all slow with a few exceptions.

Also, the ATP slowed the courts down to make it more attractive to viewing audiences and to create drama, but I really don't think that's working. If anything, it's become too long to see 3+ hour Bo3 and 5+ hour Bo5 matches and coverage that long doesn't bode well for TV. And we know they slowed the courts down to give the top guys an advantage which is why in the last 4 years Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, and Murray have had a stranglehold on the Slams - because they are the 4 fittest on tour and can handle and outlast all their challengers - and then we can see more matches between those 4.
Exactly. I really can't understand how guys in charge don't see that for a typical spectator it's much more entertaining to watch a 3.5-hour match with both guys playing offensive, instead of a 6 or 5-hour pushfest.
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Seems like you're right.

I agree with Federer on them needing to speed up these courts, and I'm not afraid to admit that I agree with him. In fact, I don't even think fast courts would help him much better any way, considering he's becoming fragile, and might not be able to get to the balls he could get to when he was younger.
Well faster courts will help him..its suits his attacking style more.

Last year he did very well in Wimby and Cincy as compared to slower surfaces.

But it isn't just about him right. He's gonna play for hardly 3 more years.

Personally as a tennis fan it's frustrating to see super slow courts with players punishing themselves for 4-5 hours unable to hit winners. I think it will be good for the game( and for the players ) if we have faster courts. But honestly i don't see it happening.

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Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

Jan Hajek speaking after his Davis Cup win admitting that the surfaces have been homogenised.

http://www.daviscup.com/en/news/arti...-2-0-lead.aspx

Second from bottom.

When asked about his favourite surface. He adds " You know this time, every surface is like hardcourts, are not too fast, they're slower and slower. They want to slow the game, so I think it's not a big thing, but I have to say my best surface is clay".

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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