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if all the top players play their best...

can coria win the french?

in my opinion he is the favourite for RG but if federer, safin, nadal, gaudio and others are all on top form does coria have the game to win it this year? i ask because most top players will dictate the points against him. he is after all primarily a counter-hitter.
now at monte carlo ferrero got on top in many of the points but was too inconsistent to keep it going and finish them off...he usually made an error. and nadal really bossed two-thirds of today's match and was clearly superior. (yes i accept coria was not at his best). but for me he still thinks better than anyone else on the clay.

soooo....coria at his best against safin, nadal, or federer or even ferrero at their bests. would he triumph?

personally my views are this:
(i) coria will win the french this year AND....
(ii) coria winning the french would be a good thing
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Re: if all the top players play their best...

I find Nadal to be a very defensive or even a more defensive player than Coria, It was Coria who would get tired, exasperated during the rallies, and try to finish the point, and making unforced errors most of the time, netting or hitting forehands long, Coria today had more than 70 unforced erros, this is the first time I see him do that.

To me it looks like Nadal can play Coria´s defensive game even better than Coria, with more Spin and Power.

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I find Nadal to be a very defensive or even a more defensive player than Coria, It was Coria who would get tired, exasperated during the rallies, and try to finish the point, and making unforced errors most of the time, netting or hitting forehands long, Coria today had more than 70 unforced erros, this is the first time I see him do that.

To me it looks like Nadal can play Coria´s defensive game even better than Coria, with more Spin and Power.
i dont think coria was rash when taking shots on. i just thought his execution was poor today. nadal does have more spin and more power, which is why he bossed the match in general.
dont get me wrong though...i dont think nadal is always the most attacking player around. but he is definitely becoming more aggressive and less happy to just hit short forehands with huge topspin all day.
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Re: if all the top players play their best...

This match up reminds me of Chang vs Muster, Coria being Chang and rafa being Muster, they both played retrieving defensive styles, but Muster hit the ball harder and with more spin, and he dominated Chang usually.

Obviously Coria has more flair, better hands and touch than Chang, or Muster, and Rafa, so, he may find a way to beat the Rafa in the future.

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Re: if all the top players play their best...

I think it is possible for Rafa, because of his inexperience, to lose to someone unexpectedly, but I still think he is the favorite, or at least one of the top favorite. I really do believe that he can win it. I havent really been keeping up will Guille enough to make a good enough prediction about him, but I think what happened today revealed something.



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This match up reminds me of Chang vs Muster, Coria being Chang and rafa being Muster, they both played retrieving defensive styles, but Muster hit the ball harder and with more spin, and he dominated Chang usually.

Obviously Coria has more flair, better hands and touch than Chang, or Muster, and Rafa, so, he may find a way to beat the Rafa in the future.
good points.

i think coria needs to attack the nadal backhand more next time if he can. although rafa has improved that shot significantly already, he doesn't yet have a good down the line shot with it in my opinion. so he can be exposed there.
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Re: if all the top players play their best...

I think this is funny because Nadal´s game looks so outdated to me, it is like going back to the 80´s early 90´s, Rafa even hits the moonball to the middle of the court and high to the corners, it is very retro.

Not an agressive clay courter like Guga or Carlos, and most clau courters nowadays like Zab, Gonzo, Calleri.

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Re: if all the top players play their best...

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I find Nadal to be a very defensive or even a more defensive player than Coria, It was Coria who would get tired, exasperated during the rallies, and try to finish the point, and making unforced errors most of the time, netting or hitting forehands long, Coria today had more than 70 unforced erros, this is the first time I see him do that.

To me it looks like Nadal can play Coria´s defensive game even better than Coria, with more Spin and Power.
Coria is changing his game trying to be more agressive. he is not accustomed to that new style therefore he makes many unforced errors.

but the old Coria is far a more defensive player.
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I think this is funny because Nadal´s game looks so outdated to me, it is like going back to the 80´s early 90´s, Rafa even hits the moonball to the middle of the court and high to the corners, it is very retro.

Not an agressive clay courter like Guga or Carlos, and most clau courters nowadays like Zab, Gonzo, Calleri.
mmmm i think he is becoming much more attacking though. there is a big improvement even from last year. i saw him a few times then when almost half his shots were landing around the service line, but still kicking up and making it hard for his opponents cuz of the immense spin. but now he definitely uses his serve better, is more attacking with the forehand and the backhand has improved.

in my opinion, nadal has almost everything. even his volleys are pretty good. he will be a threat at every slam from now on! that doesn't mean i think he will win any other than the french just yet, but maybe next year he will be a major force in all the others.
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good points.

i think coria needs to attack the nadal backhand more next time if he can. although rafa has improved that shot significantly already, he doesn't yet have a good down the line shot with it in my opinion. so he can be exposed there.
Nadal´s backhand is underrated. it is pretty good.
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Nadal´s backhand is underrated. it is pretty good.
i know its good. was just saying he almost always goes crosscourt with it though at the moment.
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i know its good. was just saying he almost always goes crosscourt with it though at the moment.
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yes you are right it is a weakness. his dtl is not so good.

but overrall is a good backhand.
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yes you are right it is a weakness. his dtl is not so good.

but overrall is a good backhand.
he is just improving now at an incredible rate. i guess that'll happen when you have talent and desire in abundance!
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I think this is funny because Nadal´s game looks so outdated to me, it is like going back to the 80´s early 90´s, Rafa even hits the moonball to the middle of the court and high to the corners, it is very retro.

Not an agressive clay courter like Guga or Carlos, and most clau courters nowadays like Zab, Gonzo, Calleri.
it s for that his game is so complicated. most players are no used to
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Re: if all the top players play their best...

Kid is improving in all aspects, as expected. His serve, his backhand, even his forehand are better this year. Still a lot of margin to improve but, hey, he´s 18 after all....
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