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What's wrong with the doubles acceptance system?

The 12th team in the Doubles Race to the Championships cannot get in AMS Monte Carlo with their combined rankings.

On his website, Yves Allegro, who usually partners Michael Kohlmann, said this: "separation momentanee pour ce tournoi car avec michael on ne serait pas entre dans le tableau avec nos classements combines.."

Temporary separation for this tournament because with Michael I couldn't have been in the draw with our combined rankings.

Now Yves partners Tim Henman... and they meet Mariano Hood / Michael Kohlmann in the first round. How weird and fucked up is this system, if they can't play together?

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Re: What's wrong with the doubles acceptance system?

Messed up indeed.

Martijn, do you know why/how this came to be? Are singles players (like Henman) awarded points that would trump guys who tend to play more doubles? Is it the ATP's attempt to get singles guys...in the doubles draw?

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Re: What's wrong with the doubles acceptance system?

You can use singles rankings. It is to encourage household names to play doubles, thus raising the profile of dubs. Vicious circle eh!

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Re: What's wrong with the doubles acceptance system?

A good ole Catch-22, eh? Still, there oughta be a way to make it work.

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Re: What's wrong with the doubles acceptance system?

that is indeed a dumb system..

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Re: What's wrong with the doubles acceptance system?

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The 12th team in the Doubles Race to the Championships cannot get in AMS Monte Carlo with their combined rankings.
On his website, Yves Allegro, who usually partners Michael Kohlmann, said this: "separation momentanee pour ce tournoi car avec michael on ne serait pas entre dans le tableau avec nos classements combines.."
Temporary separation for this tournament because with Michael I couldn't have been in the draw with our combined rankings.
Now Yves partners Tim Henman... and they meet Mariano Hood/Michael Kohlmann in the first round. How weird and fucked up is this system, if they can't play together?
The doubles entry rankings are used for direct entry, not the race. In Monte-Carlo there were 16 teams entered directly based on combined doubles rankings, 6 singles teams, & 2 wild card teams. The cut-off for doubles direct entry in Monte-Carlo ended up being 68 & Allegro/Kohlmann had a combined ranking of 71 on the entry deadline. If they stayed together, they might have ended up being #16 on the entry list (& gotten in automatically), but if they weren't sure what other teams were doing they might not have wanted to risk it.

Doubles Early Entry

Allegro/Henman got one of the spots reserved for singles teams.

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Re: What's wrong with the doubles acceptance system?

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Messed up indeed.

Martijn, do you know why/how this came to be? Are singles players (like Henman) awarded points that would trump guys who tend to play more doubles? Is it the ATP's attempt to get singles guys...in the doubles draw?
Yes. This is something the ATP has been doing as of late, to make doubles more attractive for the crowd. Cause they will like it more when good singles players make a crappy doubles team But this just seems so wrong.

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The doubles entry rankings are used for direct entry, not the race. In Monte-Carlo there were 16 teams entered directly based on combined doubles rankings, 6 singles teams, & 2 wild card teams. The cut-off for doubles direct entry in Monte-Carlo ended up being 68 & Allegro/Kohlmann had a combined ranking of 71 on the entry deadline. If they stayed together, they might have ended up being #16 on the entry list (& gotten in automatically), but if they weren't sure what other teams were doing they might not have wanted to risk it.

Doubles Early Entry

Allegro/Henman got one of the spots reserved for singles teams.
I know what rankings they use for direct entry. But I am just pointing out that the #12 team in the Race, thus one of the best teams this year, cannot get in and that is messed up. It's also a way to distort competition, if certain teams can play big events, and others can't.

And it's weird that Tim and Yves got a reserved spot as a singles team, when Yves doesn't play singles anymore.

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Re: What's wrong with the doubles acceptance system?

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And it's weird that Tim and Yves got a reserved spot as a singles team, when Yves doesn't play singles anymore.
The 2005 ATP Official Rulebook:
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Direct Acceptances - Singles Teams. Once the Direct Acceptance positions using only the ATP Doubles Entry Ranking have been determined, the remaining teams shall be ordered based upon their combined ranking using their best singles or doubles ranking however, at least one (1) member of the team must use his singles ranking.

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Re: What's wrong with the doubles acceptance system?

Yeah I was going to say, a singles spot is for singles/doubles not nec singles/singles.

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