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Returners own servers?

OK, maybe it's not fair to call Federer only a returner - but it seems as if Fed, Agassi and Hewitt usually beat Roddick and Pim-Pim. Then again, maybe it is not a good comparison since Fed-Hew-Ag are first class players and the other two aren't

Anyway, it seems that it is not enough to be able to dictate the game in modern tennis, you still have to read your opponent to become the very best.
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Agassi is a combined 6-1 against Roddick/Johansson

Nalbandian, touted by many on this board as a good returner of serve, has not beaten Roddick on Hard.
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Ask Agassi what he thinks of returning Sampras' serve.
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well, but Fat Dave did beat Andy on Indoors Carpet which is faster than hard, and had match point at the Us Open.

He did beat Andy on hard at Kooyong, but it is up to you if you consider an exhibition tournament match a real victory.

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roddick and pim pim rely on their serve a ton. Its their major weapon. Fed, Hewitt and Agassi are more than just returners. They can actually construct pts.
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If the great servers arent on they WILL be thrashed by the great returners like Nalbandian, Agassi and Hewitt.

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If money isn't on the line then it's not a real victory.
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Re: Returners own servers?

Who are you kidding, anyone even someone with a patched eye can see Nalbandian is a great returner of serve, perhaps not on the Agassi league just yet but pretty close. Just look at his head to head versus Federer, granted Federer has improved his serve vastly and his overall game by quite a lot, another thing is that they've yet to play since Federers phenomenal form post winning the Aussie open 2004. I dont know whether it was in 2003 or last year he led in the winning on second serve returns category and he's always up there in the categories of break point conversions and return of serve wins.

By the way he really should have beaten Roddick in 03 at the open, his serve and his running out of gas in big matches is what is missing for him to win big or win the big titles, he will need a better serve to win a slam final. If he were to become stronger mentally under pressure and if he improved his serve even by a tad a la Hewitt(well Hewitts has improve by quite a lot yet his serve percentage is low) he would be challenging for slams and perhaps winning a few.
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OK, maybe it's not fair to call Federer only a returner - but it seems as if Fed, Agassi and Hewitt usually beat Roddick and Pim-Pim. Then again, maybe it is not a good comparison since Fed-Hew-Ag are first class players and the other two aren't

Anyway, it seems that it is not enough to be able to dictate the game in modern tennis, you still have to read your opponent to become the very best.
wtf are you on?!!!!!!!! as if andy isnt a 'first class player', he was number one!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how much better can you get?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!
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wtf are you on?!!!!!!!! as if andy isnt a 'first class player', he was number one!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how much better can you get?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!
Any tennis player that has one part of their game that overshadows the other parts, especially players with interests outside of tennis and whatnot, are looked down upon (Andy, Venus, Serena, Maria). People make it out to look like having a weapon and then relying on it is a bad thing. People say "IF Roddick didn't have that serve, he'd be number 3203405 in the world." The word "if" doesn't exist in the tennis world. What happens, happens.

Great returners tend to have an extreme amount of consistencey and control, when they're at their best; this is why they're able to win matches against the big power players/servers. Regardless, it makes out to be a great match every time.


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^^^^ i didnt say that andy's serve isnt the most powerful part of his game, and without it, i dunno what would happen, but it that he dont have other weapons (forehand, his backhand is improving everyday) its just his serve is so awesome, it makes all the other parts of his game look dodge.

i just have a prob when people say he isnt a first class player, and shite like that. it just aint true
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By the way he really should have beaten Roddick in 03 at the open, his serve and his running out of gas in big matches is what is missing for him to win big or win the big titles, he will need a better serve to win a slam final. If he were to become stronger mentally under pressure and if he improved his serve even by a tad a la Hewitt(well Hewitts has improve by quite a lot yet his serve percentage is low) he would be challenging for slams and perhaps winning a few.
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i personally dont like Andy at all... i jsut dunno why.... but how can anyone daresay he's not a top class player?

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i personally dont like Andy at all... i jsut dunno why.... but how can anyone daresay he's not a top class player?
Yeah, not only Roddick has been #1 and a slam champ, but he's still hanging in there with the best of them even though some players (i.e. Fed, Hewitt, and Agassi) keep getting the better of him. So it's unfair to rate him second class.

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wtf are you on?!!!!!!!! as if andy isnt a 'first class player', he was number one!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how much better can you get?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!
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