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Is the ATP Killing Variety in the game????

You know, I think the variety of the game is something that makes tennis great, the different styles of play, different surfaces etc

But for some reason this variety is disappearing. First of all as we all know the grass court season is very short and not many points when compared to clay. Players know they don't really have to worry about grass court skills if they don't want to and still be a top 10 player.

However, even at Wimbledon all the players are saying the surface is becoming slower and slower and easier to play from the baseline. Federer even said it was faster and easier to serve-volley in Gstaad the following week on Clay than it was at Wimbledon. Henman is another player who has commented on how Wimbledon becomes slower each year which means he will play more from the baseline.

I don't like this. I like the variety of having some guys who like to volley, some who like baseline and some who like both. Everyone knows the volley game is now dying in tennis and this is very sad. If there is only 4 weeks of grass court season anyway why not just leave it fast? This is what makes guys like Agassi one of the greats, he won all four slams and he won Wimbledon back when it was very difficult to play a pure baseline game and win on this very fast surface.

Even the hard courts around the world are all being slowed down so we have more baseline, clay-type rallies and we all know there are a lot of clay tournaments.

Now don't get me wrong, I still like to watch baseline rallies, I am just saying I don't want to have the variety taken out of the game and the options of net attack taken out of the game. I don't want to see in 10 years every player being the same type of robot baseline type player, this could be very boring.

Wake up ATP!!!
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mhhh well said
i agree 100%

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I don't want to see in 10 years every player being the same type of robot baseline type player, this could be very boring.

Wake up ATP!!!
We're nearly there already, all the young guys joining the tour (Verdasco, Nadal, Monaco etc.) play pretty much the same (bombing from the baseline) with the difference being just how hard they hit the ball.
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This is tennis of the new age. Power is everything. Equipment has evolved.

Same goes for every other sport.

Chicks dig the longball.. etc, etc..
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It's not a declining amount of grass which is killing serve-volley, the number of Grass tournaments has in fact stayed fairly constant for a long time. Even the slowing down of grass isn't the really major cause. Rather it's the decline of Carpet, which was once a major surface but now is even rarer than grass.
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Before i was really into tennis-i didn't know carpet even existed. I still have not seen a match on carpet. And i thought the coverage of Clay was bad.

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It's an overreaction to the criticism that points are way too short on grass and big serves are making the tournament look bad. Maybe Goran had something to do with this. BTW, I love Goran
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Wayne Ferreira and Jonas Bjorkman are some of the players that have strongly criticized the changes done to the courts at Wimbledon. I myself believe that this robbed any chances of Wayne winning at Wimbledon. Anyway, hopefully in the future they will reverse this decision. Changes come and go.
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This discussion was a hot potato in the early/mid 90's - mainly, 'is the serve killing tennis?' Sampras, Ivanesevic and Kraijicek were all deemed bad for the game. I guess the same topics just keep coming up and up.

I think for me the most talented of all times was (Marcelo) Rios. Marat Safin, 2004

Marcelo has an enormous talent. Gaudio, RG champion 2004

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Re: Is the ATP Killing Variety in the game????

Just because two players spend a lot of time at the baseline doesn't mean that they play the exact same robotic game. However, a lot of people are really ignorant and insist that they do anyways.

Oh well, their loss. Just shows how much they don't know

I lack direction.

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Four examples of baseliners who play the same way are Santoro, Gonzalez, Mantilla and Novak.

It depends as jenrios said earlier in the mid to late 90s the serve was deemed too dominant and the surfaces were too fast and one Wimbledon final the ball was in play for 9 mins out of almost 3 hours on court.

They quickened up Roland Garros and they slowed down Wimbledon, seems like they can't win.

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Its not just the lack of grass that is killing the S&V game, but also that the technology is getting better, the racquet heads are bigger so there is more power available. Players dont want to come to the net to face 150kph balls.
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This discussion was a hot potato in the early/mid 90's - mainly, 'is the serve killing tennis?' Sampras, Ivanesevic and Kraijicek were all deemed bad for the game. I guess the same topics just keep coming up and up.
i was thinking the same thing. that there seem to be cycles to these discussions.

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Tennischick - I keep thinking I must be getting older the way these discussions keep coming round

I think for me the most talented of all times was (Marcelo) Rios. Marat Safin, 2004

Marcelo has an enormous talent. Gaudio, RG champion 2004

"Rios ... he has a beautiful game, great forehand and great touch," Federer, World number 1

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Tennischick - I keep thinking I must be getting older the way these discussions keep coming round
you and me both time to pass the baton to the newbies?

Q. When you've played as few matches as you have over the last two, three months, did you ever lack motivation to go out and practice?

ANDY RODDICK: Motivation? No. I enjoy what I do. I enjoy what I do. You know, I've never been one to, you know, blow off practice or, you know, do anything like that.

You know, I'd be lying if I said I'm looking forward to practicing the next two days as opposed to playing here. That part is gonna suck...(2010 Aegon Championships)
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