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Pros and cons of surface specific seeding

You should support surface specific seeding if you think that:

* Tennis will develop better with players being surface specialists
* The seeding procedure is so crucial for the character of a tournament that each tournament should be allowed to have its own seeding (Wimbledon fanatic anyone?)
* The ATP ranking system is so flawed that most tournament seeding committees would do better

You shouldn't if you think that:

* Allround players should be favoured
* The ATP ranking system is fair enough to determine the seeding
* Specialists are favoured enough by playing their best surface, they don't need a seeding system that helps them to do well in a tournament on top of that

I support the ATP system for seeding, despite its flaws. I'd rather see a future of multisurface players than grass smokers and dirtballers. The question whether specialising will speed up development is not so simple, downhill skiing and swimming are two sports that at the present are dominated by versatile athletes.
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Re: Pros and cons of surface specific seeding

this type of seeding is good for the grand slams, since they're more than just a tennis tournament, they're avenues to promote tennis on a world scale. it's definitely better if the really dangerous surface players meet in the final rounds when the whole world is watching.
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Re: Pros and cons of surface specific seeding

However they do it, the seeding procedure should be consistent in all four GS.
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Re: Pros and cons of surface specific seeding

I"ve always thought that subjective seeding was just something that Wimbledon kept doing to try to convince us that they are the special-est *vomit*

As you can see, I lack a certain amount of respect for this .

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Re: Pros and cons of surface specific seeding

There should a consistent seeding system for all of the events and no exceptions.
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Re: Pros and cons of surface specific seeding

It will only encourage specific surface 'specialists'.
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Re: Pros and cons of surface specific seeding

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I"ve always thought that subjective seeding was just something that Wimbledon kept doing to try to convince us that they are the specialist *vomit*

As you can see, I lack a certain amount of respect for this .
It's something Wimbledon does in order that it's seeding has some relation with reality. Though Roland Garros needs it rather more desperately. Look at last year, when Moya and Coria met in the quarter finals, while the bottom quarter was entirely devoid of clay court talent.

It's just a shame Wimbledon allowed itself to be bullied into adopting the formula system - all that means is that we're stuck with silly people like Safin this year and Coria last year being top 4 seed, despite Safin already having declared that he's given up on grass.
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Re: Pros and cons of surface specific seeding

Safin unseeded at Wimbledon, I'd laugh myself into a coma.
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Re: Pros and cons of surface specific seeding

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Safin unseeded at Wimbledon, I'd laugh myself into a coma.
It likes you will have to wait at least another year for that.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: Pros and cons of surface specific seeding

PROS = NOT facing FEDERER

CONS= FACING FEDERER
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However they do it, the seeding procedure should be consistent in all four GS.


And for both the mens and womens draws. What's good for the goose...

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Re: Pros and cons of surface specific seeding

pro- wont have roddick #1 seed at TMS on clay.

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Re: Pros and cons of surface specific seeding

I don't mind how the seedings are done at Wimbledon. It differentiates with other Grand Slams. Each Grand Slam has it's own identity such as the 5th set tie-breaker used at U.S. Open. In any case the seeding system at Wimbledon respects more or less the ranking system. I.e you won't have Karlovic or Rusedski seeded when they are not even in the top 32.
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pro- wont have roddick #1 seed at TMS on clay.
RG has had so many lopsided draws where the majority of the best players on clay are usually lumped together in the one section and this year was an example of that, though it was good that Nadal won from the harder section.

RG should have it and your reason is good enough, but since they don't. Then it's just an excuse for Wimbledon to be different.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: Pros and cons of surface specific seeding

Agassi seeded #2 at 2006 Aus Open.
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