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kick serve

Here it is guys- i have s hit 2nd serve, the only way i win matches is by compensating for it, with my killer groundies but i know my potential- and the second serve could be better. I have worked with a kicker as my second serve, but i do not get that much kick out of it. My coach was telling me about something about getting a right-angle in my elbow before hitting the serve.
What i want is some pictures of players doing this- so i can see it.
If any people know a little more about it then dont hesitate to speak-up, i would appreciate it.

Nieminen- The lucky lefty of tennis.
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Bagdatis- The quotesman of tennis "my coach will watch, i will sleep with my girlfriend"
Kiefer- The naive guy, "yeh, me and seb are good friends"
Santoro- The double handed wizard of tennis.
Lopez- IS my hair right? IS my lipstick right?
Moya- The tatoo and muscles of tennis (although nadal kicks his ass in that department).
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Djokovic- Stole Jiri's surname

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Re: kick serve

So you want pics of the second serve?
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Re: kick serve

yeh thanks

Nieminen- The lucky lefty of tennis.
Sampras- The hairy champion of tennis.
Ferrero- The mosquito of tennis.
Srichaphan- The Thai- ger of tennis.
Safin - The of tennis.
Bagdatis- The quotesman of tennis "my coach will watch, i will sleep with my girlfriend"
Kiefer- The naive guy, "yeh, me and seb are good friends"
Santoro- The double handed wizard of tennis.
Lopez- IS my hair right? IS my lipstick right?
Moya- The tatoo and muscles of tennis (although nadal kicks his ass in that department).
Tipsarevic- The tatoo of tennis, competing with moya.
Djokovic- Stole Jiri's surname

Sorry if I left out your favourite, just PM me to let me know-- thanks.
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Re: kick serve

OK, you're talking to the wrong guy. I'll see what I can do though. Just clarifying.
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Re: kick serve

Gaudio and Safin are great examples of this.

I would recommend serving as usual, but have your coach/hitting partner stand a few feet in front of you, and hold their racket at arms length. Carry out your normal service action, and instead of going for the serve, just whip around it, so you serve over their racket and in. Hard for me to explain in writing but I hope that is clear enough!
Your 'killer groundies' will not always suffice. If you have someone rinsing that second serve, you're not going to be able to get an effective second ball, instead always be on the back foot. Good idea to do something about it. And you can always incorporate the kick serve into your first every now and then once you get the hang of it, purely to mix things up/exploit weaknesses.

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Re: kick serve

I don't take pictures, I merely DL them from various places. I don't know of anywhere on the net where it marks whether the serve is first or second. Sorry.
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I don't take pictures, I merely DL them from various places. I don't know of anywhere on the net where it marks whether the serve is first or second. Sorry.
Maybe Reza just wants to see the Kicker Koncept irrespective of 1st or 2nd. I may have some, somewhere.

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Re: kick serve

Some extreme kick from Mr Safin. Check out Gaudio's, too!
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Re: kick serve

If there's anyone you want to mirror though, it's Roddick and Joachim Johansson's kick.

Though I don't recommend Andy's serve motion, lol
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Re: kick serve

yeh this was probably the right angle thing i was talking about- btw thanks
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Nieminen- The lucky lefty of tennis.
Sampras- The hairy champion of tennis.
Ferrero- The mosquito of tennis.
Srichaphan- The Thai- ger of tennis.
Safin - The of tennis.
Bagdatis- The quotesman of tennis "my coach will watch, i will sleep with my girlfriend"
Kiefer- The naive guy, "yeh, me and seb are good friends"
Santoro- The double handed wizard of tennis.
Lopez- IS my hair right? IS my lipstick right?
Moya- The tatoo and muscles of tennis (although nadal kicks his ass in that department).
Tipsarevic- The tatoo of tennis, competing with moya.
Djokovic- Stole Jiri's surname

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Re: kick serve

Hope this works: Side on view


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Re: kick serve

yeh thanks andy

Nieminen- The lucky lefty of tennis.
Sampras- The hairy champion of tennis.
Ferrero- The mosquito of tennis.
Srichaphan- The Thai- ger of tennis.
Safin - The of tennis.
Bagdatis- The quotesman of tennis "my coach will watch, i will sleep with my girlfriend"
Kiefer- The naive guy, "yeh, me and seb are good friends"
Santoro- The double handed wizard of tennis.
Lopez- IS my hair right? IS my lipstick right?
Moya- The tatoo and muscles of tennis (although nadal kicks his ass in that department).
Tipsarevic- The tatoo of tennis, competing with moya.
Djokovic- Stole Jiri's surname

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Re: kick serve

Np man, although I don't think Ferrero was kicking his serve in that pic...

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Re: kick serve

It's great for baseliners: Gaudio, Roddick, Safin etc. Because, you don't get the forward motion, but means you can afford to stay back, as they can do very little with the serve.

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If there's anyone you want to mirror though, it's Roddick and Joachim Johansson's kick.

Though I don't recommend Andy's serve motion, lol
Agree I do not think anybody can copy that motion

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