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Weakest #1?

Obviously Federer is one of the most dominant top ranked players of his era in the history of tennis. But who do you think has been the

WEAKEST No. 1 THE YEAR HE REACHED THE TOP SPOT

in the entry ranking system?

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* Wilander in 1988 (tough one for a Swede...). I know, he won three out of four slams that year, but he still lost to some really mediocre guys:
Berger, Pistolesi (whobody?), Agenor, de la Pena (who is he???), Dan Goldie (never heard of him), Steeb.

* Probably even worse: Safin in 2000. Beaten by:
Santoro*3(!), Vinciguerra*3(!!), Escude*2, Pozzi, Damm, Calleri, Stafford, Prinosil.

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Re: Weakest #1?

why are these your only choices?

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disagree about Marat!!!

Andy Roddick, he earns his n°1 in the end of the year (2003)& lost it in the beginning of the year (2004) !!!

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Andy wasn't a choice, get over it

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if ever there was a contradiction in terms, just need to look at the title of this thread
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You would have to be insane to put Wilander up there- Mats felt the moment he had attained the #1 ranking that the proverbial bubble had burst and there was nothing else left for him to achieve- his decline the following year was in a way by his own choice.

Besides, you did say "the year he reached the top spot" and for Mats that year was 1988 which was one of the best seasons any player had ever had in the history of the game.

For me, the least convincing when they reached #1 for the first time were Rios and Sampras- as when they did, they were not current holders of grand slam tournaments at the time. Sampras had won the U.S. Open before reaching #1 and of course he would later ammend that.

Therefore, due to his abbreviated stay in the top spot (a few select weeks) and failing to win a grand slam title I would have to say Rios was the least convincing #1 at the time he first achieved that ranking and overall despite the fact that game-wise he had the potential to be a great player.
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Re: Weakest #1?

number 1's are not weak, so i don't see the need for this thread, but just so long as Ferrero doesnt get mentioned i'm happy.

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Re: Weakest #1?

Wilander is a more legitimate number1 than Moya for example, good Top 5 player but not really number 1, for versatility, lack of slams reasons among others ...

"I asked a bloke in the front row if he liked the serve-and-volley stuff," said Rafter. "He said he did but asked if he was going to get to see any rallies. 'Not today, mate,' I told him."
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Thanks bad gambler and Juanqui L, guess I deserved that. ;-)

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1) I'm not insane. But I thought it was interesting that he managed to pull out the very best in the GS's and produce crap between them. But of course, you can only count on every player reallly going for it during the Slams. And Wilander's -88 was fabulous, I agree completely (I would be insane if I didn't ;-) ).

2) He got most of the "bad" losses BEFORE he reached the #1 position. But I guess you are right about lacking motivation etc. AFTER he won USO.

By the way, I should probably mention Rafter-99 too. A fabulous year with some terrible performances.
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Pat Rafter: number one for a single week, partly due to the vagaries of the ranking system.

Sorry, Wilander is certainly not a contender for weakest number one - he earned it the hard way by winning three slams. Lendl was so strong at the time that Mats wasn't number one even when he was holding two slams, having been runner-up and quarter-finalist at the other two.
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Re: Weakest #1?

Slams define place in history. Rios being the only number 1 not having won slams define him as the weakest. We know that well in France with Mauresmo unfortunately...

"I asked a bloke in the front row if he liked the serve-and-volley stuff," said Rafter. "He said he did but asked if he was going to get to see any rallies. 'Not today, mate,' I told him."
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Re: Weakest #1?

You're kidding if Wilander is the weakest number one.

There are candidates like Muster, Rios, Kafelnikov ( who won 1 match when he was # 1), Safin wasn't there for a long time though he is not the weakest, Moya and Rafter have more claims than Mats.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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Rios--never won a Slam!

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Thanks bad gambler and Juanqui L, guess I deserved that. ;-)

RonE:
1) I'm not insane. But I thought it was interesting that he managed to pull out the very best in the GS's and produce crap between them. But of course, you can only count on every player reallly going for it during the Slams. And Wilander's -88 was fabulous, I agree completely (I would be insane if I didn't ;-) ).

2) He got most of the "bad" losses BEFORE he reached the #1 position. But I guess you are right about lacking motivation etc. AFTER he won USO.

By the way, I should probably mention Rafter-99 too. A fabulous year with some terrible performances.
When I said insane I didn't mean it to be taken literally only as a figure of speech.

You also have to remember that Mats had won 7 grand slams by the time he reached #1 and look at the quality of players he beat in those slams.

Besides the GS are the ones that really count- even Sampras in later stages of his career had great GS wins and some shocking results in the lesser tournaments in between.

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Re: Weakest #1?

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, Moya and Rafter have more claims than Mats.
Rafter could have been a great number 1 had he won a few more finals in slams: good looks, serve and volley, nice person, and above all, great accent !

"I asked a bloke in the front row if he liked the serve-and-volley stuff," said Rafter. "He said he did but asked if he was going to get to see any rallies. 'Not today, mate,' I told him."
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