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So what if it's a combined event they have 4 big ones where that happens.
Indian Wells has a bigger stadium capacity. I see your tennis is only good on hardcourts is coming through clearly.

It's a new event, didn't have a permanent home. Dubai has plenty of prizemoney, what does that prove? Just cause it has money, doesn't mean it's any more prestigious than the other TMS events. If this is more prestigious than any of the 3 clay events then you are kidding yourself.

It's a TMS and that's all it is.
Who's saying anything about hardcourt? I think it's the other way around, you can't stand those American hardcourt events and therefore they suck, right? But we've had this discussion before and I don't want to get into any surface debates cause that's a waste of time anyway.

I'm not saying stadium capacity or prize money alone determines whether it's a prestigious event, it's a combination of all things included in my previous post. And Miami also lacks a number of important features, like history for example or extensive media coverage like the slams have, that's why I don't think it should be called the 5th GS. But still if any tournament had to be called a 5th GS it'd have to be either IW or Miami cause they have a two week tournament and both men and women playing at the same time.

And about whether it's more prestigious than any other TMS event, I don't really think players care which of those tournaments they win cause they're all great. I think each player will have his own personal favorite event, depending on nationality, ability and mentality.

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Guga won RG 3x, he won the triple crown of Hamburg, Monte Carlo and Rome at least once, plus he won that thing called the TMC.

He's a failure cause he never won Miami.
Miami kind of puts everything in different perspective

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At least now I know why Borg made that strange comeback in the early 90s, he wanted to win Miami at the new location.
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Guga won RG 3x, he won the triple crown of Hamburg, Monte Carlo and Rome at least once, plus he won that thing called the TMC.

He's a failure cause he never won Miami.
Can't win 'm all, although he did come close one year. I've heard Guga say in an interview he wants to give it another go next year, to complete his carreer.

btw, Andy Roddick was player of the season last year cause he won this tournament

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Who's saying anything about hardcourt? I think it's the other way around, you can't stand those American hardcourt events and therefore they suck, right? But we've had this discussion before and I don't want to get into any surface debates cause that's a waste of time anyway.
Yes, my comment before was as irrelevant as anyone geniunely believing Miami could ever be considered a 5th Slam. Considering I actually would prefer more surface variation and the fact these tournaments being in the calendar don't serve any real purpose. Yes, I can talk about players I don't like relating to their games, same as surface as well.

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But still if any tournament had to be called a 5th GS it'd have to be either IW or Miami cause they have a two week tournament and both men and women playing at the same time.
No tournament deserves or even should be going around calling themselves the 5th Slam. Big deal it's a combined event, what does that prove? There are 4 big ones during the year, it doesn't increase its significance.

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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At least now I know why Borg made that strange comeback in the early 90s, he wanted to win Miami at the new location.
Yes, winning Miami was more important than attempting to win those US Opens.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Just for the record, GWH, I don't consider Miami the 5th GS. When they start playing best of five throughout the tournament, then I'll consider it as the 5th GS.

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Re: Miami: The Fifth Slam? (a non-Federer discussion :o )

Even when they were playing best of 5 in the early stages, it still wasn't the 5th slam. It's strange that the concept of having 4 Slams seems to be new to some people.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: Miami: The Fifth Slam? (a non-Federer discussion :o )

I definitely don't see it as a fifth slam, but a very interesting Masters event!

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Re: Miami: The Fifth Slam? (a non-Federer discussion :o )

So, I take it Roger can still win four Grand Slam titles this year!

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Re: Miami: The Fifth Slam? (a non-Federer discussion :o )

Yes, Roger can complete the Slam this year.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Maybe next year he'll go for all five - has Laver done that?
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So, I take it Roger can still to win four Grand Slam titles this year!


Have to say I agree with everything you and GWH are saying here - just very busy at work today so I can't really join in the discussion - but Miami will never be a Grand Slam in my eyes.

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"The most important TMS"???
Based on what...?
Are better players playing it or is it because it offers more ranking points...?
How exactly is it superior to AMS Rome for instance?
Based on what people generally say. It was done here in the forum a few times and tendencies clearly went to either Miami, Rome or Indian Wells. Also if I went with this question to a tennis club, I'm sure it would concentrate pretty much on these three. I think also to consider here is the draw size and the superious prize money. For others "importance" is different and they go for history (Rome). Anyway, the term "importance" allows many interpretations, it's useless to argue about that.

Of course, each TMS offers the same amount of ranking points, but as we know ranking points aren't everything when it comes to prestige and importance. For example, Rotterdam usually has a much stronger field than Memphis, yet they offer the same amount of ranking points.

Also a familiar example is with Wimbledon being regarded as the most prestigeous Grand Slam, especially if somebody has won different Slams. Pay attention how Boris Becker is usually introduced. They don't say "an Australian Open, a Wimbledon and a US Open Champions along with some good runs at RG", most of the times they just mention "Boris Becker, multiple Wimbledon Champ". Wimbledon is rather regareded more important/prestigeous (call it whatever) than most other Slams.


After confusing and never stopping talk about the "5th Grand Slam", maybe I should again point out that I also don't see it as a 5th Grand Slam as there are only four.

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Maybe next year he'll go for all five - has Laver done that?
Laver never did that and I for one believe he is shattered by that.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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