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ESPN annoyed me so much that I called them...........here's their explanation

So during a break I had in my morning schedule, I decided to call over to ESPN and ask them if they had any intention of carrying the Fed/Lju match.

Answer in summary:

Unless it rains, nope. The rating are higher when the match involves Americans. Well I exclaimed that "it's roger federer, the no. 1 tennis player in world. How could you guys think we wouldn't be interested??" Then it was pointed out that they are carrying live matches today including Henman and Canas. I also asked about them considering working out something with The Tennis Channel to carry the matches that don't give them ratings. In summary the answer to this is, ESPN's international arms prevent them from doing that because while they may not air a match in the American market, they are probably airing it in another market, so they have to hold on to the rights. Well that does make sense, even though, I am still annoyed.


Before I called over to ESPN, I had called Indian Wells and inquired about the match being shown. Well a lovely lady returned my call within a sec of my hanging up with ESPN, and said that she had been receiving a lot of calls about the match. She said that when they purchased timeslots from ESPN, the draw wasn't out yet, so what happened couldn't be helped. She also said that when they decided to rerun a tape of Agassi/Fed 2004 match the other day on ESPN, they received a lot of angry phone calls...........that shocked me.........

Well I am just more confused and the world of television seems complicated. I just thought I would post a summary of these explanations for anyone else that's wondering, as I did. Have a nice day at work everyone.

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Re: ESPN annoyed me so much that I called them...........here's their explanation

Nothing new from ESPN here. We're quite used to this explanation.
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ESPN is pathetic, plain and simple. We need a better network that would challenge their ratings.

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Until the Neilson system is changed or totally removed from the ad rate equation, there's a fat chance of any network taking that 'risk.'

ESPN or whoever isn't about making the tennis fanatic happy. They're about the bottom line, especially when it comes to a sport like tennis that's been declining here for about 10 years in popularity. Agassi, the Williams sisters, Roddick, Sharapova... are the ones that will always be prioritized here TV-wise, because they're a 'steady' choice for ratings (at least in comparison to the other players when they are shown).

It sucks, but there's nothing that any petition, angry phone call, or writing campaign is going to do about it. Other than maybe make you feel like you got something off your chest or, on the opposite end of the spectrum, wasted your time.

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It sucks, but there's nothing that any petition, angry phone call, or writing campaign is going to do about it. Other than maybe make you feel like you got something off your chest or, on the opposite end of the spectrum, wasted your time.

It wasn't an angry phone call, just one about that specific match. But you are correct, no petition or writing campaign will change this.



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I applaud your persistence . . . very cool.

The problem isn't ESPN, it's the WTA and the ATP. They SUCK at marketing the sport and their players. They have to develop a compelling story or image for ESPN to buy into . . . it's not ESPN's job to do that. The keeper of the sport is responsible for that.
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Here's why from the LA Times:
Federer Gets a Late Victory
The top-seeded player defeats Ljubicic, 7-6 (3), 7-6 (4), in a match that stretches into the night.


PACIFIC LIFE OPEN TENNIS TOURNAMENT

By Bill Dwyre, Times Staff Writer


Suddenly, the Pacific Life Open tennis tournament has become "Late Night with Roger Federer."

The Swiss superstar, clearly the top player in the world at the moment, won his way into the quarterfinals with a fourth consecutive victory this year over the pride of Croatia, Ivan Ljubicic. The score was 7-6 (3), 7-6 (4), and ended at 10:59 p.m.







The match didn't begin until 9:12 p.m., 42 minutes after its scheduled 8:30 start. That was because a women's match won by Kim Clijsters over Conchita Martinez went three sets and 1 hour 45 minutes. The start time, a tough sell in a retirement area, where bedtime was close to match time, still drew a slightly more than half-full stadium.

The Federer match was put in that later-than-normal time slot because Federer is near to international rock-star status and the European television group that has paid for international TV rights to this event wants to be able to put his matches live into all parts of the world, especially Asia and Australia, as often as it can.

His quarterfinal against Nicolas Kiefer of Germany will be played tonight and will also start at 8:30.

American TV does not pay to carry this event, but rather has a marketing deal in which the tournament pays to have its event on TV and is allowed to sell commercial time on the domestic telecasts.

The first set lived up to the hype, Federer finishing a 7-3 tiebreaker with a 127-mph ace at 10:03 p.m.

Neither player had a break point and both hit lines like they were playing with radar guns instead of rackets. If there had been any expectation of a falloff in play from Ljubicic after his Davis Cup heroics 10 days ago, there were no signs of that.

Matter of fact, the only real difference between the two in the first set, in addition to the swagger of confidence that Federer has carried since his second Wimbledon title last year, was the fraction of an inch that Ljubicic missed a little lob after chasing down a drop shot by Federer at 2-2 of the tiebreaker. That made it 3-2 for Federer, with the next two points on his serve.

And once given that edge, Federer made the best of it, winning the next point with a half-volley drop shot that mortals can't make, then reflexing back a volley after drawing Ljubicic into the net. Ljubicic saved one set point at 2-6, but then it was Federer's chance to serve. And then came the ace. In the first set, Federer won 41 points, Ljubicic 37.

Federer's only loss this season came at the hands of Marat Safin in the Australian Open semifinals. But Ljubicic has come close. He lost in the final at Doha, Qatar, in early January, 6-3, 6-1, then got much closer a month later in Rotterdam, dropping that final, 5-7, 7-5, 7-6 (5). The next week, they did it again in Dubai, Federer winning, 6-1, 6-7 (6), 6-3.

This is March, and between the two they have pocketed more than $1 million in prize money so far this year. Federer had $731,728 and Ljubicic $361,895, not including whatever the Croatian Tennis Federation paid him for his Davis Cup heroics.

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Tennis coverage in the US has sucked for ages and ESPN has proven that it's the best at carrying on the mantle of pathetic TV coverage in this country, announcers included. I suggest we put together a consortium, raise a few billion, and by the fucking network.

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So during a break I had in my morning schedule, I decided to call over to ESPN and ask them if they had any intention of carrying the Fed/Lju match.

Answer in summary:

Unless it rains, nope. The rating are higher when the match involves Americans. Well I exclaimed that "it's roger federer, the no. 1 tennis player in world. How could you guys think we wouldn't be interested??" Then it was pointed out that they are carrying live matches today including Henman and Canas. I also asked about them considering working out something with The Tennis Channel to carry the matches that don't give them ratings. In summary the answer to this is, ESPN's international arms prevent them from doing that because while they may not air a match in the American market, they are probably airing it in another market, so they have to hold on to the rights. Well that does make sense, even though, I am still annoyed.


Before I called over to ESPN, I had called Indian Wells and inquired about the match being shown. Well a lovely lady returned my call within a sec of my hanging up with ESPN, and said that she had been receiving a lot of calls about the match. She said that when they purchased timeslots from ESPN, the draw wasn't out yet, so what happened couldn't be helped. She also said that when they decided to rerun a tape of Agassi/Fed 2004 match the other day on ESPN, they received a lot of angry phone calls...........that shocked me.........

Well I am just more confused and the world of television seems complicated. I just thought I would post a summary of these explanations for anyone else that's wondering, as I did. Have a nice day at work everyone.

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Great you called.....pls can you post the #s?

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I hate ESPN.
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does anyone know a country where tennis coverage isnt pathetic?

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The Federer match was put in that later-than-normal time slot because Federer is near to international rock-star status and the European television group that has paid for international TV rights to this event wants to be able to put his matches live into all parts of the world, especially Asia and Australia, as often as it can.
And in reverse, that's again kinda why ESPN didn't show it here. It didn't pay for them to continue live coverage, at that hour, for him in this market.

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The problem isn't ESPN, it's the WTA and the ATP. They SUCK at marketing the sport and their players. They have to develop a compelling story or image for ESPN to buy into . . . it's not ESPN's job to do that. The keeper of the sport is responsible for that.
I agree, but I don't know how much more the ATP or WTA can do here without some serious network backing though.

The best shot either have of getting the non-chosen-by-ESPN ones out there is if TTC gets picked up by more providers and they advertise the living hell out of the channel in all types of media.
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The Federer match was put in that later-than-normal time slot because Federer is near to international rock-star status and the European television group that has paid for international TV rights to this event wants to be able to put his matches live into all parts of the world, especially Asia and Australia, as often as it can
Hmm. I wonder which "European television group" that is then - Sky perhaps?

Pity they weren't planning to air that match in the UK, even if it was 4:30 am.
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The Federer match was put in that later-than-normal time slot because Federer is near to international rock-star status and the European television group that has paid for international TV rights to this event wants to be able to put his matches live into all parts of the world, especially Asia and Australia, as often as it can.
Very interesting ... thanks for posting this. One more reason to move to Australia.

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