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anyway , wimbledon is the slam in where you can have more surprises , a very good serve player and with a good day can win , in clay it`s different.

all the greats said that wimbledon is the most difficult slam of all.
You know that this is not true.

Borg didn't think it was the most difficult slam. He thought the USO was the most difficult slam.

Sampras didn't think Wimbledon was the most difficult slam. He thought RG was the most difficult.

Also although you don't count him as a "great", Nadal thought USO was the most difficult for him to win.
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1. Federer had no answer to the Serve Volley Tactic. (Did your coach do any research Fed?)
2. Federer's Forehand was rubbish today
3. Stakhovsky Serve was great all day Federer only broke him once and on Break Points he played them well.
4. Federer didn't have his orange shoes on (Waiting for someone to come up with that excuse) Just joking.
5. Federer's depth on his shots were not good at all today.
I think that the serve and volley tactis of stav was not the problem.

the problem was federer`s shot , I saw that his shots were not so powerfuls and not desequilibrated stav.......his shots in many matches not hurt like before , his shots looked like with no power.

his return of serve against big hitter was dead too.

and the other problem was federer`s movement , he looks very very slow whrn he needs to go for the sides.
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Just an assumption of course, but probably a safe one. He has kids, and is close to 32. Murray and Djokovic are in the primes of their careers and are obviously in great shape. Nadal is at the end of his prime but we know he works very hard off the court. I think what has happened this year is niggling injuries have prevented him from training a lot and that's contributed to loss of confidence, especially in big moments.
How can an assumption be "surely?" You said we didn't know and then made a statement of surety.

You're just making up a story that seems to fit the narrative you want.
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Just an assumption of course, but probably a safe one. He has kids, and is close to 32. Murray and Djokovic are in the primes of their careers and are obviously in great shape. Nadal is at the end of his prime but we know he works very hard off the court. I think what has happened this year is niggling injuries have prevented him from training a lot and that's contributed to loss of confidence, especially in big moments.
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You know that this is not true.

Borg didn't think it was the most difficult slam. He thought the USO was the most difficult slam.

Sampras didn't think Wimbledon was the most difficult slam. He thought RG was the most difficult.

Also although you don't count him as a "great", Nadal thought USO was the most difficult for him to win.
for sampras was the most difficul rg like fed or borg the USO because he never could win it.

but in general , wimbledon it`s the most harder , all the players wants to win wimbledon because it`s legendary and very dificcult.

on clay you have time to recover , but in grass if your enemy serve like a god , you are lose.

the other problem in wimbledon it`s the preparation , on clay you have 3 masters1000 , the same in hardcourts , but in grass???? only halle or queens.
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I think that the serve and volley tactis of stav was not the problem.

the problem was federer`s shot , I saw that his shots were not so powerfuls and not desequilibrated stav.......his shots in many matches not hurt like before , his shots looked like with no power.

his return of serve against big hitter was dead too.

and the other problem was federer`s movement , he looks very very slow whrn he needs to go for the sides.
Well, his return was crap, but he did hit some blazing forehands. I think the main problem was that whenever he seemed to be getting into a groove he shanked or made some sort of crazy error. That's what hurt him. Of course, these errors come because he's not able to do the things with his feet that he once did.

The other thing I was wondering about that people who know more than I could probably opine on is whether Stack was taking advantage of Fed's habit of just blocking back the return to set up his superior ground game.
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nadal will never break fed`s records , he is death outside clay.

federer can lose but if nadal now wins , it`s ok.

now if novak superates nadal in weeks at nº1 , he will behind of federer and nole in dominance.
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for sampras was the most difficul rg like fed or borg the USO because he never could win it.

but in general , wimbledon it`s the most harder , all the players wants to win wimbledon because it`s legendary and very dificcult.

on clay you have time to recover , but in grass if your enemy serve like a god , you are lose.

the other problem in wimbledon it`s the preparation , on clay you have 3 masters1000 , the same in hardcourts , but in grass???? only halle or queens.
Now you're changing what you said. You said ALL THE GREATS say that Wimbledon is the hardest to win. Now that you see that is false you are saying something different.
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Noserer tards are the biggest hypocrites on MTF!

Surprised they haven't blamed the BACK yet.

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The other thing I was wondering about that people who know more than I could probably opine on is whether Stack was taking advantage of Fed's habit of just blocking back the return to set up his superior ground game.
Yes, Stak was taking advantage of Fed chipping/slicing returns back and then putting away a volley or hitting a comfortable approach shot. RF didn't hit over the BH return nearly enough.

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nadal will never break fed`s records , he is death outside clay.

federer can lose but if nadal now wins , it`s ok.

now if novak superates nadal in weeks at nº1 , he will behind of federer and nole in dominance.
Nadal has records that Fed will never have. Federer has records that Nadal will never have. I'm ok with that.
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Yes, Stak was taking advantage of Fed chipping/slicing returns back and then putting away a volley or hitting a comfortable approach shot. RF didn't hit over the BH return nearly enough.
You've sort of shot your credibility with me in analyzing a match.

Basic problem with the backhand is that Federer cant' properly run around it anymore.
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Noserer tards are the biggest hypocrites on MTF!

Surprised they haven't blamed the BACK yet.
Anything else to add infamous bandwagon lover? If not, shut it and let people discuss
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