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Why is there even a thread for this garbage? Sampras is 10x the player Clowners was.
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Can't believe some people would take this list seriously. How does this even get reported? Obviously this "doctor" knows nothing about tennis and his model is flawed. If you put garbage in your computer model you get garbage out.
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Oh no, a site doesn't agree with some people. It's author must be dumb, stupid and brainless....
If you put Lendl 10th when he won 8 GS (11 times runner up), was number one for 268 weeks, won 5 TMC (4 RU) and won 94 titles, it`s a stupid list.

By the way, there is no way Connors is ahead of Federer in a statistical ranking. And no way Lendl is behind of Djokovic (!!!)

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Oh no, a site doesn't agree with some people. It's author must be dumb, stupid and brainless....
Who in their right mind would put Connors ahead of Federer or Sampras?

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Top 10 all-time list (Open Era)
1) Federer 2) Sampras 3) Nadal 4) Laver 5) Borg
6) Rosewall 7) Agassi 8) Lendl 9) Connors 10) McEnroe
Top 10 favourite all-time list
1) Federer 2) Safin 3) Agassi 4) Sampras 5) Edberg
6) Lendl 7) Haas 8) Hewitt 9) Connors 10) Becker
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How many slams has Federer won the past 5 years? His first 5 year slam main competition was against: Hewitt, mid thirties Agassi, Nalbandian, Roddick, Baghdadis, Safin and even lesser players. The came Nadal, who could not win a slam off clay till 09, then Novak who did not reach his peak till 2011. Pete had Agassi, Becker, Edberg, Wilander, Chang, and Courier among others to contend with. The Connors-Borg- Lendl McEnore era was also much tougher than Roger's 03-08 as well as the 09-13 period.
Err...In the past 5 years, a declining Federer has won 5 slams, which is only 1 less than the current world number 1 has in total. And while the death of fast surfaces started under the nose, it's peaked since then. The average age of a professional tennis player is 26.5, Federer is 31, and regardless of what you think he was in his prime, he is clearly not the same player he was then. The last time Federer was anything close to a complete player was 2009 - and he's still won 2 slams since then! There has been 5 slam winners in the past 100 to win over the age of 30, and they were before the game became the athletic grindfest it is today.

And speaking of past their prime, Hewitt still looks better than most of the tour despite not being anywhere near his prime in years. Even Nalbandian had moments of brilliance in the past few years despite being over the hill and out of shape.

Also, Baghdatis is closer to age to Nadal than the generation you are talking about. He peaked early. If you are going to play that game, you can mention a player from Federer's generation who was a nobody until recently - Ferrer.

I don't consider Federer anything close to the GOAT and I'd take the 90's and both early and late 80's over the mid 2000's, but Federer, Safin, Hewitt, Roddick, Ferrero and Nalbandian only wish they were younger, they'd clean up nowadays. Hell, second rate players like Gonzalez and Davydenko probably could have won a slam had they been a little younger.

The last 5 years have been the nadir of tennis history.
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How many slams has Federer won the past 5 years? His first 5 year slam main competition was against: Hewitt, mid thirties Agassi, Nalbandian, Roddick, Baghdadis, Safin and even lesser players. The came Nadal, who could not win a slam off clay till 09, then Novak who did not reach his peak till 2011. Pete had Agassi, Becker, Edberg, Wilander, Chang, and Courier among others to contend with. The Connors-Borg- Lendl McEnore era was also much tougher than Roger's 03-08 as well as the 09-13 period.
Oh, come on. Sampras had Wilander? Whatever did Wilander do in Sampras' years that merits mention? He never even reached a slam QF after AO 1990, and was ranked outside the top-40 for all of the 90s. You're just trying to pump up the era's supposed difficulty by throwing in players with name recognition here.

Federer's competition was in no way easier than Sampras. The fact that Pete had more old stars that hadn't got as far as retirement yet doesn't make his achievements greater. Just contend yourself with equal.
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This thread A weaponless clown like Connors ahead of Fed and Sampras. Too good.
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Connors had a better backhand and return than fed. And a better bowl hair cut....

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Re: Top sports statistican: Connors best in open era. Borg 2nd. Fed 3rd. Sampras 14th

Lots of exaggerated whining about this, but if you read the Conversation article he's pretty open about how the model might be biased towards Connors. That's how statistical models work - you make a hypothesis, measure it then see how it could be improved. At least there's some actual objective methodology here instead of just plucking names out of thin air.
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Sharapova has a better return than Connors...at least she needs to return 190+ kph serves from Serena unlike Jimbo

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Djokovic?

Nadal "Sampras, Ivanisevic match. or one between those kind of players, is not enjoyable. It's not really tennis. it is a few swings of the racquet. For me in the past it was just serve. serve". arrogance.

clay excluded. successive win 0.  If grass and a hard are fast. Like Sampras era. Nadal is able to win only with clay. power of defense and muscles. boring ugly. All the surface is slow now.

fake time-out. cheat. gamesmanship. too noisy annoying always. excuse. boycotts threatened. always dissatisfaction cry complaints. dissatisfaction to schedule. selfish two-year ranking. bump to player. ugly protest. always exaggerated appeal of self condition. etc. overrated by fanatic arrogant blind fan
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Djokovic?
Maybe if he quits tennis and goes into gymnastics, he can be part of any all time great list
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