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Rafael Nadal getting seeded No. 5 at Wimbledon is a joke

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The two-time champion could face Djokovic, Federer or Murray in the quarters.




Wimbledon announced Wednesday it will adhere to its seeding formula and not change Rafael Nadal’s No. 5 seed, setting the stage for a potential quarterfinal matchup between the Spanish tennis star and one of his “big four” confreres, Novak Djokovic, Andy Murray or Roger Federer.

The decision was widely expected. It’s also a disappointing cop-out.

There’s now a 75 percent chance Nadal, whose ATP ranking is affected by the seven months he spent out of the sport with an injury, will be on a path to face Djokovic, Murray or Federer in the quarters. Imagine: Djokovic and Nadal playing a Sunday match on Wednesday, all for the right to play the winner of David Ferrer and Richard Gasquet in the semis. That doesn’t do right by the players, fans or tournament. Only Nadal’s placement in Ferrer’s quarter of the draw would avoid a potential big four showdown in the final eight.

For some reason, most of the tennis world isn’t outraged by the seeding snub. (John McEnroe doesn’t like it, but what else is new?) Wimbledon’s seeding formula, based mainly on the ATP rankings with an added emphasis on grass-court events, is treated as gospel. If the numbers say Nadal is No. 5, the argument goes, then he must be seeded No. 5. What’s with the misguided sense of fairness, as if there’s nobility in clinging to an already-arbitrary rankings system?

That’s not to say there aren’t valid arguments in support of keeping Nadal at No. 5. There are and they’re written in bold below. The counterpoints are stronger.

If they make an exception here, they’d have to make it for everyone.

This is a fair point. Wimbledon would have to always move up rankings for 12-time Grand Slam champions who take off seven months to rehab from a knee injury, then return in peak form to go 43-2 and win the French Open. It’s setting a bad precedent for this common occurrence.

It’s unfair to David Ferrer.

Sure it is. He earned his ranking by staying healthy and advancing deep into tournaments. He’s also made it to one quarterfinal in 10 appearances at Wimbledon. It’s nothing against Ferrer, a fine player who probably would have won a Grand Slam or two if he had been born 15 years earlier, when I say that I know David Ferrer and, sir, David Ferrer is no Rafael Nadal.

Seedings aren’t supposed to be predictive.

Yes they are. That’s exactly why they exist. Seeds are necessary to minimize the random variances in chance set up by a 128-player draw. That’s why tennis changed from 16 seeded players to 32 seeded players in 2001.

Overall, it’s not that big a deal. He still has to win seven matches.

Roger Federer, who could be burned by the Nadal seeding if it results in a quarterfinal matchup, endorses this view.

“Clearly it changes the draw, the dynamics of it, but not more than that, really,” he said Sunday. “I mean, the quarterfinal is not the first round. It’s still far away in the draw, if you think about it.”

I’d buy it more if Federer hadn’t made every Grand Slam quarterfinal since 2004.

But he’s right; the quarters are far away. Not far away enough to ponder what might happen, however. One of the Big Four could have dates with each of the other members in the quarters, semis and finals. Federer, for instance, might have to go through Nadal, Murray and Djokovic to defend his title. Nadal could see Djokovic, Federer and Murray. That’s only the 2011 champion, the 2012 champion and the guy who won an Olympic gold medal on Centre Court 11 months ago. That’s a big deal.

The numbers don’t lie. Ferrer is No. 4, Nadal is No. 5. Period.

These numbers don’t lie either:

Nadal: 12 Grand Slam titles; 43 wins, 95% win percentage, seven titles in 2013; five Wimbledon finals appearances, two Wimbledon titles.

Ferrer: 0 Grand Slam titles; 37 wins, 78% win percentage, two titles in 2013; one Wimbledon quarterfinal appearance.

Why is one set of numbers more important than the other? When did common sense get replaced with slavish devotion to meaningless point values?
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Re: Rafael Nadal getting seeded No. 5 at Wimbledon is a joke

Yeah well, you know what else is a joke?

A moth goes into a podiatrist’s office, and the podiatrist says, “What seems to be the problem, moth?”

The moth says “What’s the problem? Where do I begin, man? I go to work for Gregory Illinivich, and all day long I work. Honestly doc, I don’t even know what I’m doing anymore. I don’t even know if Gregory Illinivich knows. He only knows that he has power over me, and that seems to bring him happiness. But I don’t know, I wake up in a malaise, and I walk here and there… at night I…I sometimes wake up and I turn to some old lady in my bed that’s on my arm. A lady that I once loved, doc. I don’t know where to turn to. My youngest, Alexendria, she fell in the…in the cold of last year. The cold took her down, as it did many of us. And my other boy, and this is the hardest pill to swallow, doc. My other boy, Gregarro Ivinalititavitch… I no longer love him. As much as it pains me to say, when I look in his eyes, all I see is the same cowardice that I… that I catch when I take a glimpse of my own face in the mirror. If only I wasn’t such a coward, then perhaps…perhaps I could bring myself to reach over to that cocked and loaded gun that lays on the bedside behind me and end this hellish facade once and for all…Doc, sometimes I feel like a spider, even though I’m a moth, just barely hanging on to my web with an everlasting fire underneath me. I’m not feeling good.

And so the doctor says, “Moth, man, you’re troubled. But you should be seeing a psychiatrist. Why on earth did you come here?”

And the moth says, “‘Cause the light was on.”
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Re: Rafael Nadal getting seeded No. 5 at Wimbledon is a joke

nadal is seeded where he should be given his results in the past 12 months.

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bbbbuut but Nadal has a lot of power

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Re: Rafael Nadal getting seeded No. 5 at Wimbledon is a joke

No, he is seeded correctly using a proper formula.

He hasnt demonstrated in the last 2 years that he was good enough on grass courts. Technically since he lost to Rosol ranked so low last year him being seeded at all is a joke. Its obvious there are plenty better grass courters there.
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No matter in what position Nadal is seeded, he will win the title easily of course.


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No matter in what position Nadal is seeded, he will win the title easily.
That goes without saying of course.

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Relax fanboys. NAdal will be drawn in his bitch Ferrer's quarter probably, but he has to get past Rosol first anyway.
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Re: Rafael Nadal getting seeded No. 5 at Wimbledon is a joke

I approve of his seeding. Now Rafa has a harder path to win Wimbledon.
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On the bright side, it will be another wake up call to Rafa that he has a lot to work on, and this isn't clay. I have faith that he'll make it through
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Re: Rafael Nadal getting seeded No. 5 at Wimbledon is a joke

Not a bigger joke than this mug thread. People who lose in R2 should not be allowed in the next tournament.


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That goes without saying of course.
Thanks, I missed the of course. I added it to the message just right now.

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Relax fanboys. NAdal will be drawn in his bitch Ferrer's quarter probably, but he has to get past Rosol first anyway.
Relax friends. The Wimbledon draw is very opened this year, even Federer can win the title with the level of tennis that he is showing lately (and I always wanted the best for Federer, but his actual level is low and everybody knows it). I posted my last message to have some fun because I knew that someone would bite me Anyway, as I said in past messages my favourites for Wimbledon 2013 are Murray and Nadal. It will depend on the draw.

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Not a bigger joke than this mug thread. People who lose in R2 should not be allowed in the next tournament.
So Roger shouldn't have been allowed to play Wimbledon 2003? k, got it.
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So Roger shouldn't have been allowed to play Wimbledon 2003? k, got it.

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So Roger shouldn't have been allowed to play Wimbledon 2003? k, got it.
Roger lost in round 1 in 2002 though.

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