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Novak Djokovic 73 30.67%
Andy Murray 53 22.27%
Roger Federer 48 20.17%
David Ferrer 0 0%
Rafael Nadal 43 18.07%
Tomas Berdych 0 0%
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga 1 0.42%
Juan Martin Del Potro 2 0.84%
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Grigor Dimitrov 5 2.10%
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Umm...Do you remember Ferrer's last matches with Tsonga and Berdych in the current millennium? You know, the ones that are not yet buried so deep in the history books that the pages need to be cleaned with a fossil brush...
It was two years ago at this tournament, the only match they ever played on grass. I don't know about you, but my memory isn't that short. If Ferrer plays Tsonga/Berdych in the QF (assuming he gets to avoid his master Malisse and others early on), expect him to lose.

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This argument between Fed in 2 and lenders:

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For what its worth, Ferrer has gotten more consistent from 2011 IMO...

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I'd really love to know how GSMnadal is thinking. He writes a review for RG, where he includes detailed info about 5 players: The top 4 + David Ferrer. So far so good.
Then Ferrer goes on to reach the final, and two weeks later not only is he out of the 'main contenders', but not even a dark horse?

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I'd love to give you a detailed reply sooner, but Fat Camel basically answered it. This is Wimbledon, not RG. Notice how Nadal has dropped from first to fourth place among the main contenders? How would you explain that after he won RG? And why I bumped up Federer to #1 despite him embarrassing himself against Tsonga on clay?

It's grass, it's a whole different beast to clay. I look at previous results, current form, grass credentials and a little bit what I think is going to happen or who I see as the favourites.

Ferrer probably reaches R4/QF, maybe even SF with the right draw, but will do so without beating anyone noteworthy. He's NOT a dark horse for the title and NOT a dark horse for a potential shocking upset.

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I'd love to give you a detailed reply sooner, but Fat Camel basically answered it. This is Wimbledon, not RG. Notice how Nadal has dropped from first to fourth place among the main contenders? How would you explain that after he won RG? And why I bumped up Federer to #1 despite him embarrassing himself against Tsonga on clay?

It's grass, it's a whole different beast to clay. I look at previous results, current form, grass credentials and a little bit what I think is going to happen or who I see as the favourites.

Ferrer probably reaches R4/QF, maybe even SF with the right draw, but will do so without beating anyone noteworthy. He's NOT a dark horse for the title and NOT a dark horse for a potential shocking upset.
Surely Tsonga deserves a 5th detailed preview then, no? I mean if Vulture got one for RG where he was still no threat to take out any top player, surely Tsonga deserves it with his two consecutive SFs here, taking out Federer in style and only losing tight matches to Murray and Djokovic on grass since 2011.

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It was two years ago at this tournament, the only match they ever played on grass. I don't know about you, but my memory isn't that short. If Ferrer plays Tsonga/Berdych in the QF (assuming he gets to avoid his master Malisse and others early on), expect him to lose.
Something really craptacular will need to happen for me to expect Ferrer to lose a set to Del Potro, Berydch or Tsonga, on any surface, at any time.


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I'd love to give you a detailed reply sooner, but Fat Camel basically answered it. This is Wimbledon, not RG. Notice how Nadal has dropped from first to fourth place among the main contenders? How would you explain that after he won RG? And why I bumped up Federer to #1 despite him embarrassing himself against Tsonga on clay?

It's grass, it's a whole different beast to clay. I look at previous results, current form, grass credentials and a little bit what I think is going to happen or who I see as the favourites.

Ferrer probably reaches R4/QF, maybe even SF with the right draw, but will do so without beating anyone noteworthy. He's NOT a dark horse for the title and NOT a dark horse for a potential shocking upset.
Ferrer has a better chance of upsetting a top 4 member, especially Murray, than most of the guys listed as dark horses


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FERRER UPSETTING MURRAY ON GRASS?
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Didn't he push Grassray last year?


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Something really craptacular will need to happen for me to expect Ferrer to lose a set to Del Potro, Berydch or Tsonga, on any surface, at any time.
Well, better pray that Ferrer gets del Potro then - or that he gets Berdych, and Tomas gets a super tough draw early on like French Open - otherwise you'll be in for quite a shock - which won't really be a shock for people who don't overrated Ferrer to ridiculous extents.

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Didn't he push Grassray last year?
Yes, it was tight. The Spaniard could and probably should have went 2 sets up.
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Yes, it was tight. The Spaniard could and probably should, have went 2 sets up.
He had a set point in the second set tie break. It was 6-5, but Murray was serving, so I wouldn't call it 'should have', but it was indeed tight.


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Surely Tsonga deserves a 5th detailed preview then, no? I mean if Vulture got one for RG where he was still no threat to take out any top player, surely Tsonga deserves it with his two consecutive SFs here, taking out Federer in style and only losing tight matches to Murray and Djokovic on grass since 2011.
Thought about it, but this tournament is all about the big 4. I saw Ferrer as a real threat to do some damage at RG (definitely better than Murray and better than Federer as long as they wouldn't meet) and he justified my thinking by reaching the final.

On grass, the big 4 will be too much. Jo can beat Federer, I would expect him to, but not more than that.

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Ferrer is not beating a top 4 member on grass, please. Some of the dark horses weren't picked for their potential to upset a top 4 member (i only see Jo, Tomas and Ernests capable of doing that), but on their potential to achieve more than is expected of them. Ferrer has about the least chance to outperform what is expected of him of all the players in the draw.

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He had a set point in the second set tie break. It was 6-5, but Murray was serving, so I wouldn't call it 'should have', but it was indeed tight.
He served for the second set and choked in typical Ferrer fashion. Anyway, Baghdatis and Karlovic also took a set and almost two off Murray and no one is hailing them as dark horses. Ferrer can make a SF if he gets a very easy draw early on + gets drawn into delPo's quarter, that's his limit. As soon as he faces the top 4, Tsonga or Berdych, he can book his plane tickets to Bastaad.

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Thought about it, but this tournament is all about the big 4. I saw Ferrer as a real threat to do some damage at RG (definitely better than Murray and better than Federer as long as they wouldn't meet) and he justified my thinking by reaching the final.

On grass, the big 4 will be too much. Jo can beat Federer, I would expect him to, but not more than that.
He can beat Nadal on grass too imo, and although Djokovic and Murray are tough matchups for him he always plays them close on grass and could sneak a win at any point. He at least has a far greater chance of taking out top players here than Ferrer did at Roland Garros. In fact if he were to get a similar draw to Ferrer's at RG, he'd actually have a chance to win the whole thing.

You saw Ferrer as a threat to do some damage at RG as in beating anyone ranked above him? I think not, while Tsonga can defo pull it off.

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He had a set point in the second set tie break. It was 6-5, but Murray was serving, so I wouldn't call it 'should have', but it was indeed tight.
Ferrer was serving for the second set at 5-4.
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