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Dull's 5th set record and Djokovic's saving MP's GOATness speak for themselves.

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Indeed, they are my friend, indeed they are.

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(Tbh this is mainly about nadal, because his style is a lot defensive than djokovic who hits his shot much flatter)

They play defensive tennis, go for less riskier shot, opting just to get the ball back instead of trying for a winner. They leave a greater margin of error in their shots and as a result, their unforced error counts are always lower. Therefore its not surprising that in a highly pressurized situation (i.e. match point down/deep into the 5th set), the nerves in their body would affect them less than someone who plays near the lines or hit flatter shots.

Contrary to what most people here think, defensive grinders are the real brainless players of tennis, their game requires more physique but much less skill. Ballbashers (attacking players in general) have to think and aim for their shots. Considering pure difficulty only, it is harder for del potro to time his bashes perfectly to find the line than for nadal to play his game of fetching the ball like a dog.

I liken nadal/djokovic/murray to manual workers on a farm, they do a good job, but its neither exciting nor does it require much skill. If you tell a farmer to pick 100 carrots in under an hour or he dies, he'll always complete this task, no problem whatsoever. Whereas if you tell someone to complete a more skillful task under a similar pressure, they're more likely to falter - for example someone performing brain surgery will be very shaky in their hands and that'll affect them a lot more than if they were simply picking carrots on a field. Hence you get this misconception that the likes of nadal and djokovic are somehow so much more mentally tougher than the rest. Considering all this, I think del potro is arguably the mentally toughest player in tennis since pete sampras, he has never choked before, and no I don't count RG this year because he was injured after the 2nd set.
Maybe it can apply a bit to Murray and Nadal, but Djokovic goes for his shots a lot more than the other two.

But still, despite playing similar tennis Murray isn't clutch AT ALL, and Nadal is one of the clutches players ever. So the style they play may help, but you still need to be mentally strong.
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you are blinded by like your hate of their game style or something??

being clutch has nothing to do with style

being clutch is winning big points at big moments. Nadal and Djokovic (majority of the time) win these points. Djokovic not so much pre 2011.... but now generally. Nadal for most of his career but not in 2011 really.

you can't deny statistics, they win a lot when things get close and it's funny often the two lose their edge when playing each other, Djokovic in 2012 against Nadal and other times, and Nadal a lot against Novak in 2011

your logic fails because they are mentally tough, it certainly grinds more on the brain to know when to grind and to know when to go for it.

and if you've watched a lot of Nadal matches you would know that in big moments he generally does go for something with the forehand

both players manage to get things done when the pressure's high so your opinion is void OP

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BS... how come Monfils is not a multi-slam winner then? He can get more balls into play than pretty much anyone, and yet never won even an ATP 500, and has only two ATP 250 outside France.

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NO ... mountain no ... i've played either ONLY ATTACKING LIKE CRAZY and ONLY Defending like crazy i'm telling ya when i'm defending like crazy i'm clutch as fuck and when i play offensive i'm an example of choker !

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Why does a tournament being in his home country not count? So do Sampras' USO's not count towards his GS total?

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Why does a tournament being in his home country not count? So do Sampras' USO's not count towards his GS total?
Nah, I didn't mean that, you cannot possibly compare slams to atp250. Nole or Tipsy winning ATP Belgrade would hardly be news, right?

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Maybe it can apply a bit to Murray and Nadal, but Djokovic goes for his shots a lot more than the other two.

But still, despite playing similar tennis Murray isn't clutch AT ALL, and Nadal is one of the clutches players ever. So the style they play may help, but you still need to be mentally strong.
yeah, what I'm arguing is that its possible to compare mental toughness of players with the same style (nadal, murray) because they're doing the same task with virtually every shot, and in this case there is a noticebly difference between nadal and murray, but then again murray is mentally fragile and he's prone to random fits of anger on the court

Whereas if you try to compare federer and nadal for example, its a flawed comparison because they're both doing different things with their shots
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Nah, I didn't mean that, you cannot possibly compare slams to atp250. Nole or Tipsy winning ATP Belgrade would hardly be news, right?
It's still pointless/unfair to not count home tournaments... That wouldn't be big news, but it would still count as a tournament win. That would make Isner have 1 title instead of 5

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