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Should the ATP award quality points?

As in, bonus points for beating higher ranked players... like the WTA does now, and the ATP used to a few years ago.

I used to strongly feel quality points were necessary... especially in the women's game where beating a top player used to mean something... nowadays, bleh. It only causes problems in the rankings (i.e. Garbin beating a sick Henin-Hardenne at RG, and earning more points by losing in the 3R, then most QF's earned).

The men's game has too much depth, and too many surface specialists for it to work, IMO.

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Re: Should the ATP award quality points?

I think yes as those points are more meaningful than the other ones somehow.

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Re: Should the ATP award quality points?

I've always been opposed to quality points. Does anybody *really* deserve an extra 100 points or so for knocking off Roddick at Roland Garros or Coria at Wimbledon? Of course, sometimes you have a guy who makes the final without beating a single player in the top 50, while the other guy in the final faced the draw from Hell... but those are the ropes. I'm not willing to concede that this is a good argument for quality points. Once in a while there is an occasion where you think "too bad he gets nothing for that", but overall it evens out and the ATP is better off without them

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Re: Should the ATP award quality points?

I voted "no". I don't think it's right.
btw: I dunno so much about this rule. Is it the same case if number2 player beats number1? Will Serena get bonus points if she beats Lindsay for example..?

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Re: Should the ATP award quality points?

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As in, bonus points for beating higher ranked players... like the WTA does now, and the ATP used to a few years ago.

I used to strongly feel quality points were necessary... especially in the women's game where beating a top player used to mean something... nowadays, bleh. It only causes problems in the rankings (i.e. Garbin beating a sick Henin-Hardenne at RG, and earning more points by losing in the 3R, then most QF's earned).

The men's game has too much depth, and too many surface specialists for it to work, IMO.

I'd love to hear yours.
It is a good idea.. but I don't think they should. It doesnt operate in many other sports, and I think a win's a win.

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I've always been opposed to quality points. Does anybody *really* deserve an extra 100 points or so for knocking off Roddick at Roland Garros or Coria at Wimbledon? Of course, sometimes you have a guy who makes the final without beating a single player in the top 50, while the other guy in the final faced the draw from Hell... but those are the ropes. I'm not willing to concede that this is a good argument for quality points. Once in a while there is an occasion where you think "too bad he gets nothing for that", but overall it evens out and the ATP is better off without them
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Re: Should the ATP award quality points?

I think that rather than quality points, have some sort of surface ranking system. It's absurd that Roddick should get a higher seed than Coria at Roland Garros.
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I think that rather than quality points, have some sort of surface ranking system. It's absurd that Roddick should get a higher seed than Coria at Roland Garros.
We had that before in Grand Slams... and holy heck ensued.

That's a problem that I don't think will ever be solved.
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I voted "no". I don't think it's right.
btw: I dunno so much about this rule. Is it the same case if number2 player beats number1? Will Serena get bonus points if she beats Lindsay for example..?
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I think that rather than quality points, have some sort of surface ranking system. It's absurd that Roddick should get a higher seed than Coria at Roland Garros.
Wimbledon does have a surface ranking - not that it makes a dramatic difference. I don't support that idea either

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No. I agree with some posters above

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Re: Should the ATP award quality points?

The quality of the players would be opinionated? I know you could say ranking/seedings etc.. but I just don't think it'd be right.

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Wimbledon does have a surface ranking - not that it makes a dramatic difference. I don't support that idea either
Wimbly had to drastically cut down how they changed seeds, however...

You know they badly wanted to put Timmy as a Top 4 seed.
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Re: Should the ATP award quality points?

Quite simply NO
As Andy mentioned a win is a win and the concept of ‘bonus points’ becomes far too complex.
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Quite simply NO
As Andy mentioned a win is a win and the concept of ‘bonus points’ becomes far too complex.
It makes the draw more unfair too... the average guys (not last acceptance) get a medium draw--no shots at big guys, so less chance to win big points.

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