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Question When Does an Injury Timeout Classify as a "Cheat"?

It's already been well established by the objective experts on this board that it's a cheat everytime that Coria does it, even when he follows it up with several months off tour. It's also been established that when Hewitt and Safin do it, it doesn't count, and is thus totally legit.

So I was hoping that for my own benefit, the armchair experts here at MTF could break it down for me and properly define when exactly an injury timeout becomes a "cheat". I would like to know so that I can spot one the second that a player calls it on TV and post a thread immediately, calling them on their cheating ways.

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Re: When Does an Injury Timeout Classify as a "Cheat"?

I'm not in the mood to reply this

But I'm glad you're here anyway!
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Re: When Does an Injury Timeout Classify as a "Cheat"?

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That's a shame, because it's a very important issue. I don't know how I"ll get through the next televised tournament without having the trained eye to spot a cheat from a mile away and immediately throw up a thread about it!

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Re: When Does an Injury Timeout Classify as a "Cheat"?

I will answer this later.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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Thank goodness. I can't bear the thought of another day passing without my also becoming an expert. I do hope that you answer it seriously!

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That's a shame, because it's a very important issue. I don't know how I"ll get through the next televised tournament without having the trained eye to spot a cheat from a mile away and immediately throw up a thread about it! .
You know and I know it's all rubbish.
Any player should be able to take a short break whenever he feels like, it's an individual sport and you have no one to help you mentally on court, so taking a short break even for psychological reasons seems totally fine to me, as long as it's short.

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Not for long! I have a bus to catch in half an hour. Boooo 10am class.
Too bad for you, these are none-of my business any more...

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Re: When Does an Injury Timeout Classify as a "Cheat"?

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You know and I know it's all rubbish.
Any player should be able to take a short break whenever he feels like, it's an individual sport and you have no one to help you mentally on court, so taking a short break even for psychological reasons seems totally fine to me, as long as it's short.
Boooo! This doesn't help me call out the Cheetah's! I want to call CHEETAH!


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Re: When Does an Injury Timeout Classify as a "Cheat"?

It is not cheating to take a timeout, but it is gamesmanship. Both players like to have an uninterrupted match where the outcome depends on skills and fitness alone.
Of course it is ok to take a timeout where there is a legitimate injury concern, but for purposes such as disrupting the opponent's rhythm, it is not on.
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Re: When Does an Injury Timeout Classify as a "Cheat"?

On this network of boards, it entirely depends who the player is...

If Justine takes one... CHEAT!! Venus takes one... aww, you dun need be playin' anymore baby gurl!! But you fighter!! Keep fightin!!

Random Spanish player takes one... Please get better. Roddick steps on court... CHEAT!! DIE!!
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Re: When Does an Injury Timeout Classify as a "Cheat"?

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It's already been well established by the objective experts on this board that it's a cheat everytime that Coria does it, even when he follows it up with several months off tour. It's also been established that when Hewitt and Safin do it, it doesn't count, and is thus totally legit.

So I was hoping that for my own benefit, the armchair experts here at MTF could break it down for me and properly define when exactly an injury timeout becomes a "cheat". I would like to know so that I can spot one the second that a player calls it on TV and post a thread immediately, calling them on their cheating ways.

Thanks!
Obviously when Robredo takes one he's a cheetah! But he's got fine ass so that's eliminates the element of cheating.

When Coria takes one he's a cheetah! Unless it's Roddick's superb play that caused him the injury. In such case, tough luck.

Serena is a cheetah,because she takes a break and then few days after plays an exhibition!

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Re: When Does an Injury Timeout Classify as a "Cheat"?

My own personal opinion is pretty much the same as what Experimentee has already said.
It’s more of a ‘gamesmanship’ issue and some of the players who have been mentioned are renowned for taking ‘advantage’ of injury timeouts.
It’s pretty hard to define a line between someone taking advantage of a situation and blatant cheating tho.

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Re: When Does an Injury Timeout Classify as a "Cheat"?

Is it illigal to take an Injury Time? If it's not then what's your problem take one too.
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Re: When Does an Injury Timeout Classify as a "Cheat"?

When the player is Coria

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Re: When Does an Injury Timeout Classify as a "Cheat"?

Very good thread and fair question!

My reasoning is that something (injury timeout) that is not against the rules is not cheating. Furthermore, my reasoning is that it's not our job to judge from watching the match if the player is really injured or not and if is, therefore, classified as gamesmanship. Only the players themselves (and maybe experienced physios) know what's really going on with their bodies.

So cheating when somebody takes his injury timeout, that the rules award to him, does not exist for me.
And saying it is gamesmanship is very very difficult to prove... and as long as it is not proved as "faking an injury" and applying gamesmanship I would say: in dubio pro reo for the player instead of accusing him/her wrongfully.


Somebody takes an injury timeout at a critical moment? Is it gamesmanship? No, because
(1) if he really needs it, he should take it. The rules allow him that. After he lost the match or maybe a crucial game, it doesn't use him anymore. Sometimes a new tape, a message or whatever is already enough to help immediately.
(2) if his opponent is strong enough and if he has the needs to win, he is holding his game together at any time when it counts, no matter if the match resumes in 5 minutes or if it would next week.


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Re: When Does an Injury Timeout Classify as a "Cheat"?

Good analysis, Neely. Thanks for the responses everybody.

I brought this up, in part, to point out the absurdity with which people approach the issue on this board (ie: I like this player, so they were clearly actually hurt. However, I hate this player, do despite the fact that he won't play again for another 4 weeks, he was just faking it), but it's nice to see some serious replies too. When I'm feeling a little more thoughful, I'll take the time to respond to them individually.

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