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Good decision, would've been a travesty otherwise. I do agree that they should have a similar formula to Wimbledon to favor claycourters but it should be announced well in advance of the tournament and not as a hasty, temporary response to a situation in the rankings.

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I don't understand why this was an issue, why would they fix it openly when they fix it secretly anyway without any outrage? Was this some kind of test to see if they could change the rules in the future for 100% fixed draws, or is Nadull so arrogant that he demands to be openly catered to instead of secretly given slams?
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I'm happy with this decision. It means the draw will be much anticipated and very important.

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Now watch Rafa be placed in Ferrer's quarter.

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Nadal likely to be seeded 5. Interview with Gilbert Ysern, Roland Garros director, in L'Equipe today. Via @bluemathilde, he says:



Seems like they'll have to rig the draw instead then, to avoid Djokovic, Federer and Nadal all in the same half! That would be the nightmare scenario - Ferrer and Murray in one half alone would be a travesty!
There's absolutely no evidence to suggest that. Roland Garros is the one slam which has produced random-looking draws over the years. Every statistical analysis done on Grand Slam draws shows Roland Garros as the one with most random-looking draws and with no statistical anomalies.

The fact that they considered changing the seeds shows that they want to do what's right openly, in order to avoid that nightmare scenario... It's a pity they couldn't do it, because it was beig misinterpreted. But there's no reason to suggest they'll rig their draws instead.

I know many people will claim the draw was rigged if it's not to their liking. But I would like to point out that such claims have absolutely no evidence to support them. I know that lack of evidence has never stopped anybody on mtf, but I'm just pointing it out...

Every top 4 player will have a 25% chance of getting Rafa in his quarter and 75% chance of NOT getting Rafa in his quarter.

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Why did they even discuss it . Rules are rules. No one is bigger than the rules.
The ITF rules allow Grand Slam tournament organisers to change the seeds, as long as they take the ATP rankings into account.

The discussion was whether RG organisers should avail themselves of that rule or not. They decided against it. But they could have done it according to the existing ITF rules.

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That's what I thought. And since the Wimbledon seeding committee adjusts the seedings according to grasscourt abilities every year, I see no reason why RG shouldn't do the same. But yes, announced well in advance. I'm not saying Nadal should have been seeded No. 1, but 5 really isn't a fair reflection.
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I just finished reading the thread, and of course, people already suggesting rigged draws.

Please people: check the Roland Garros draws over the years. Roland Garros is not the USO, it's not Wimbledon, it's not the AO... Roland Garros has produced random draws over the years... Just check, please.

I think they made the right decision: but if they think that that will stop people accusing them of fiddling with the draws, they're very wrong.

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I just finished reading the thread, and of course, people already suggesting rigged draws.

Please people: check the Roland Garros draws over the years. Roland Garros is not the USO, it's not Wimbledon, it's not the AO... Roland Garros has produced random draws over the years... Just check, please.
As much as I agree with you here, it'd be nice to get first-hand evidence of it this year. Djoko and Fed have been in the same half 2 years in a row and I hope Nadal ends in Djokovic's half (at the very least) to prove our worries wrong. I am not banking on it though.


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Why did they even discuss it . Rules are rules. No one is bigger than the rules.
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I just finished reading the thread, and of course, people already suggesting rigged draws.

Please people: check the Roland Garros draws over the years. Roland Garros is not the USO, it's not Wimbledon, it's not the AO... Roland Garros has produced random draws over the years... Just check, please.

I think they made the right decision: but if they think that that will stop people accusing them of fiddling with the draws, they're very wrong.
Nothing stops that -- no matter how often it's explained.
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As much as I agree with you here, it'd be nice to get first-hand evidence of it this year. Djoko and Fed have been in the same half 2 years in a row and I hope Nadal ends in Djokovic's half (at the very least) to prove our worries wrong. I am not banking on it though.
3 instances are too few to prove or disprove randomness. It is possible to throw 3 coins in a row and all landing on heads. Novak got the #3 in the summer of 2007. If you see the draws after that:

2008- Novak in Rafa's half
2009- Novak in Roger's half
2010- Novak in Rafa's half
2011- Novak in Roger's half
2012- Novak in Roger's half (But this one shouldn't really count: Novak was #1 and Rafa was #2, it was impossible for Novak to be in Rafa's half).

This is completely random-looking.

But the probability of Novak being drawn in Roger's half and Murray in Nadal's half for 12 times in a row in AO, USO and W is 1/4096. That's small enough to be suspicious. But those are the other 3 slams. Roland Garros never did something like that.

Which is why it is unfair that people start accusing RG of fixing draws based on what the other 3 slams do.

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Nadal likely to be seeded 5. Interview with Gilbert Ysern, Roland Garros director, in L'Equipe today. Via @bluemathilde, he says:



Seems like they'll have to rig the draw instead then, to avoid Djokovic, Federer and Nadal all in the same half! That would be the nightmare scenario - Ferrer and Murray in one half alone would be a travesty!
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3 instances are too few to prove or disprove randomness. It is possible to throw 3 coins in a row and all landing on heads. Novak got the #3 in the summer of 2007. If you see the draws after that:

2008- Novak in Rafa's half
2009- Novak in Roger's half
2010- Novak in Rafa's half
2011- Novak in Roger's half
2012- Novak in Roger's half (But this one shouldn't really count: Novak was #1 and Rafa was #2, it was impossible for Novak to be in Rafa's half).


It's possible to have it land heads 15 times in a row even.

You can't explain 50/50 chances no matter how much you try.
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