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View Poll Results: Is del Potro the fifth best tennis player on planet Earth at the moment?
Yes, easily 81 29.14%
It's between him and Berdych/Tsonga or both 59 21.22%
No, Ferrer is 110 39.57%
He's one of the best four 28 10.07%
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He's better than any '90s born player at the moment but Dimitrov is obviously more talented. I'd be amazed if he didn't win at least 3-5 slams. He just has far more to his game than delPo does.
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So I'm confused; is head to head the important thing now or whether you win titles?

You guys seem to switch it up a lot on which criteria are important depending on which guy you like.
Del Potro is the fourth best player right now, not to do with H2H but to do with his ability, his potential to win big tournaments, and even his health, despite his fitness/injury problems beating him in a slam/big tournament is still a tough ask.

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That's precisely what makes him 4th or 5th best player.
Why does it matter if he is 4th favorite to win another Slam if he never does, and just keeps losing in early rounds instead?
You can't really "prove" who is 4th favorite to win a Slam, if the only ones who win are the Big 4/3

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He's better than any '90s born player at the moment but Dimitrov is obviously more talented. I'd be amazed if he didn't win at least 3-5 slams. He just has far more to his game than delPo does.
Agreed. Mr. Sharapov is obviously a more talented player despite being severely mentally weaker. The mental, and physical stamina is the only thing keeping him down.
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Del Potro is the fourth best player right now, not to do with H2H but to do with his ability, his potential to win big tournaments, and even his health, despite his fitness/injury problems beating him in a slam/big tournament is still a tough ask.
So you subjectively evaluate him then. Got it. Because I haven't seen him winning slams or big titles in quite some time and if you want to say he gave Djokovic a tough match or two so did Wawrinka for that matter or Dimitrov.

It seems to me that when you like someone's style of play you make up criteria for his superiority ad hoc.
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So you subjectively evaluate him then. Got it. Because I haven't seen him winning slams or big titles in quite some time and if you want to say he gave Djokovic a tough match or two so did Wawrinka for that matter or Dimitrov.

It seems to me that when you like someone's style of play you make up criteria for his superiority ad hoc.
I wouldn't say Del Potro's style of play was anywhere near my favourite. I'm pretty neutral to him overall.

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Why does it matter if he is 4th favorite to win another Slam if he never does, and just keeps losing in early rounds instead?
You can't really "prove" who is 4th favorite to win a Slam, if the only ones who win are the Big 4/3



Agreed. Mr. Sharapov is obviously a more talented player despite being severely mentally weaker. The mental, and physical stamina is the only thing keeping him down.


So delusional.

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Why does it matter if he is 4th favorite to win another Slam if he never does, and just keeps losing in early rounds instead?
You can't really "prove" who is 4th favorite to win a Slam, if the only ones who win are the Big 4/3
He is not losing that early, this year was crap though.

Del Potro at slams in the last two years

2R SF 3R QF 4R QF QF

Berdych

R16 QF 1R QF SF 1R R16 QF

Tsonga

2R SF QF 2R SF QF R16

Even Nadal and Federer had their share of early losses recently.

How to "prove" who has a better chance? Well if Del Potro meets Berdych or Tsonga in a GS match and they are in normal form Del Potro would be favorite almost every time. He is 5-2 and 4-2 against them and he was bookie favorite on most of the matches even before US Open 2009. 2-0 on slams beating each in 4 sets at RG.

Does it matter? Not that much but being among the favorites means the player is somehow relevant and has some form. Look at Federer, last year he was 2nd or third fave at slams now he is 5th for AO.

Anyway this thread is a bit outdated, notice how Ferrer - Del Potro debates calmed down since Ferrer had a pretty bad year and lost his slam match against Del Potro.

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So you subjectively evaluate him then. Got it. Because I haven't seen him winning slams or big titles in quite some time and if you want to say he gave Djokovic a tough match or two so did Wawrinka for that matter or Dimitrov.

It seems to me that when you like someone's style of play you make up criteria for his superiority ad hoc.
So I guess you saw Ferrer, Tsonga and Berdych winning slams and big titles lately huh? Well I missed it. Unlike Wawrinka Del Potro actually beat Djokovic lately and Dimitrov lost 2,2,3 at RG to Djokovic.
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He is not losing that early, this year was crap though.

Del Potro at slams in the last two years

2R SF 3R QF 4R QF QF

Berdych

R16 QF 1R QF SF 1R R16 QF

Tsonga

2R SF QF 2R SF QF R16

Even Nadal and Federer had their share of early losses recently.

How to "prove" who has a better chance? Well if Del Potro meets Berdych or Tsonga in a GS match and they are in normal form Del Potro would be favorite almost every time. He is 5-2 and 4-2 against them and he was bookie favorite on most of the matches even before US Open 2009. 2-0 on slams beating each in 4 sets at RG.

Does it matter? Not that much but being among the favorites means the player is somehow relevant and has some form. Look at Federer, last year he was 2nd or third fave at slams now he is 5th for AO.

Anyway this thread is a bit outdated, notice how Ferrer - Del Potro debates calmed down since Ferrer had a pretty bad year and lost his slam match against Del Potro.



So I guess you saw Ferrer, Tsonga and Berdych winning slams and big titles lately huh? Well I missed it. Unlike Wawrinka Del Potro actually beat Djokovic lately and Dimitrov lost 2,2,3 at RG to Djokovic.
Yup, interesting how (relatively) quiet Ferrertards have been ever since Ferrer was routined by his master at Wimbledon

I agree the thread is a bit outdated in a way, or rather most of the discussion, Federer or del Potro for 4th best is the much more pertinent discussion at the moment. If JMDP can stay minimally healthy in 2014, I believe he can make it a top 4 with Murray, Djokovic and Nadal; even if he doesn't, he should still remain the biggest outside threat.
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People still try to claim vulture is better than Delpo?

Funny thing is vultures biggest achievement is a MS1000, Delpos was a GS.. there's even lots of questions surrounding vultures MS1000 win. I mean I like Llodra, but him a MS1000 SF ? lol. And we all know that had Ferrer's Final opponent not had to come through qualifying and been so tired, as well as emotionally drained from the best week of his career at that moment in time, he would have destroyed the pushing vulture in 2 sets... instead vulture was disrespectful as hell and resorted to grinding and already knackered JJ to the ground... pathetic .

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People still try to claim vulture is better than Delpo?

Funny thing is vultures biggest achievement is a MS1000, Delpos was a GS.. there's even lots of questions surrounding vultures MS1000 win. I mean I like Llodra, but him a MS1000 SF ? lol. And we all know that had Ferrer's Final opponent not had to come through qualifying and been so tired, as well as emotionally drained from the best week of his career at that moment in time, he would have destroyed the pushing vulture in 2 sets... instead vulture was disrespectful as hell and resorted to grinding and already knackered JJ to the ground... pathetic .
This.Couldn't of explained it any better.Great post

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This.Couldn't of explained it any better.Great post
Comparing del Potro and Ferrer was always insanely idiotic anyway; in his first full year on tour, JMDP beat Fedal back to back at the height of their dominance to win a Slam, to think anything Ferrer has done is even remotely comparable is delusional at best.

Just check GS odds, for instance AO now, to see what people who actually need to put their money where their mouth is think. I think, trolls aside, the problem is people are assuming that just because del Potro has so many injuries/surgery and never got to fulfill on the promise he delivered back in 2009, people just assume he's not good at all, but the reality is there are only three or four players better than him.
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I firmly believe that if Juan had not got injured so badly, he would have at least 5 slams now.

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I firmly believe that if Juan had not got injured so badly, he would have at least 5 slams now.
Well, considering he had just turned 21yo and had such a great season - constantly improving and ending up completing the biggest challenge in tennis by beating Fedal to win a Slam - there's really no telling how good he could have become. He was becoming an increasingly tough proposition for the rest of the field, especially over 5 sets with his relentlessly consistent power shots and strong mentality.

There were some issues of course, he had some problems matching up with players who returned well and were able to withstand his power shots (Hewitt, Djokovic, Murray...) and early hitters like Davydenko. One of the interesting questions going into 2010 was whether he was going to be able to find a way to counter that: unfortunately what happened was that he missed the year to surgery, had to start from scratch 12 months later and only had more and more injuries, so we'll never find out how good he could have become.
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People still try to claim vulture is better than Delpo?

Funny thing is vultures biggest achievement is a MS1000, Delpos was a GS.. there's even lots of questions surrounding vultures MS1000 win. I mean I like Llodra, but him a MS1000 SF ? lol. And we all know that had Ferrer's Final opponent not had to come through qualifying and been so tired, as well as emotionally drained from the best week of his career at that moment in time, he would have destroyed the pushing vulture in 2 sets... instead vulture was disrespectful as hell and resorted to grinding and already knackered JJ to the ground... pathetic .
currently he probably is the better player
the fact is that Ferrer can consistantly play on a much higher level than Del Potro
it would be different if Del Potro had won the US Open in 2012 or something but it was fucking 2009
his top form has long since dropped, whether or not its sad doesn't really matter, it is what it is
Ferrer beats Del Potro, Tsonga, Berdych, etc. more often than they beat him
Ferrer is much more consistant from tournament to tournament
Ferrer in the last few years has the best GS results of all players NOT named Nadal, Djokovic, Federer, Murray
Ferrer is the only random player to win a Masters 1000 not in the top 4 in the last couple seasons

etc. etc. etc.
don't read too much from that Wimbledon match, grass is arguably Ferrer's worst surface AND it's a terrible matchup (Ferrer's worst surface against an extremely powerful/big server? and virtually no preparation on the surface???)

Ferrer has been better than Del Potro's for seasons

I'm tired of this bullshit comparing players tip top peak. so are we going to hold on to the memory of Del Potro's form from 2008 and 2009 and never move on? the fact is tennis and live do change, and that Del Potro has no real argument for being a better player Ferrer anymore
so what if he beats the tops guys a few times more often. he DOESN'T get the job done week to week and hasn't won big tournaments.
Ferrer leads by a big margin in points, GS success (past few seasons), and even the H2H against all of these players who are 'supposedly' better than him
tennis is a marathon not a sprint. you can be winning the race for the first few laps and have miles to go. Del Potro hasn't lasted and you guys are stuck in the past

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I firmly believe that if Juan had not got injured so badly, he would have at least 5 slams now.


based on what? as great as Del Potro was at US Open 2009 he beat an already declining Federer in 5 sets
not say Federer wasn't playing well and Del Potro wasn't playing good (obviously he was, he smashed Nadal in the SF's).
but what I'm pointing out is, maybe if Juan won US 2009 in straights against Roger would there be merit to think that he might be on some road to domination, but he battled through a very tight final

the fact is Del Potro is easily injured and thats part of the sport
speculation is pointless because its based on nothing except some fascination with Del Potro's one and only grand slam win, one in which he almost lost

so. yes. you're getting carried away.

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