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View Poll Results: Is del Potro the fifth best tennis player on planet Earth at the moment?
Yes, easily 81 29.14%
It's between him and Berdych/Tsonga or both 59 21.22%
No, Ferrer is 110 39.57%
He's one of the best four 28 10.07%
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Bah @ poll options.The only wrong thing in todays rankings is Nadal's place,the rest shows exactly where everyone stands.

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The thread/poll says fifth best player in the world, not third.

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If you mean atm, then I honestly think he's the 3rd behind Djokovic and Nadal. And I'm not trolling. Murray is in a minor slump. He did win Miami, but didn't play anything special and got destroyed by Wawa in MC, plus Delpo beat him just few weeks ago. Ferrer is injured, he's out of the discussion. Federer hasn't shown anything this year. Only thing worth mentioning is his win over Tsonga in AO, but even there he wasn't that great. Of course, I expect Fed to pick up and play better rather soon, but ATM, judging by their performances after AO, Delpo is the 3rd best player in my eyes and the 3rd favorite for Madrid (as the next big tournament) and RG (as the next Slam). Doesn't mean that all won't change as soon as after Madrid or Rome, tho.

P.S. Before some Murray fan starts nagging me, I also took into consideration that we are now in the clay court season, hence Delpo gets little bonus points.

P.S.S. Him being the 3rd best player atm, doesn't mean he should be ranked #3.

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Better player is the one with 6-2 H2H.

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If you mean atm, then I honestly think he's the 3rd behind Djokovic and Nadal. And I'm not trolling. Murray is in a minor slump. He did win Miami, but didn't play anything special and got destroyed by Wawa in MC, plus Delpo beat him just few weeks ago. Ferrer is injured, he's out of the discussion. Federer hasn't shown anything this year. Only thing worth mentioning is his win over Tsonga in AO, but even there he wasn't that great. Of course, I expect Fed to pick up and play better rather soon, but ATM, judging by their performances after AO, Delpo is the 3rd best player in my eyes and the 3rd favorite for Madrid (as the next big tournament) and RG (as the next Slam). Doesn't mean that all won't change as soon as after Madrid or Rome, tho.

P.S. Before some Murray fan starts nagging me, I also took into consideration that we are now in the clay court season, hence Delpo gets little bonus points.

P.S.S. Him being the 3rd best player atm, doesn't mean he should be ranked #3.
I mean in general. If a big tournament comes around, I believe Del Potro will always be at worst the fifth most likely man to win it/reach the final. On clay, he might (I emphasize the 'might') be ahead of Murray, but in general he definitely isn't. He most definitely is ahead of the rest of the field though.

He's not been quite top 4 since his return, but he's definitely the most immediate threat to them, at least a step above Berdych/Tsonga - and let's not even talk about Ferrer.

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I find Wing Man Frank's and Matthew2408's posts convincing enough to conclude that Del Potro currently is not the fifth best tennis player in the world. In some cases rankings do lie, but those stats don't.
In 2012 Del Potro's h2h against top 5-8 was:

vs Ferrer 0-3
vs Berdych 2-1
vs Tsonga 2-1

The best case you can make is that JMDP is the 6th best tennis player in the world, and even that is quite debatable.
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If you mean atm, then I honestly think he's the 3rd behind Djokovic and Nadal. And I'm not trolling. Murray is in a minor slump. He did win Miami, but didn't play anything special and got destroyed by Wawa in MC, plus Delpo beat him just few weeks ago. Ferrer is injured, he's out of the discussion. Federer hasn't shown anything this year. Only thing worth mentioning is his win over Tsonga in AO, but even there he wasn't that great. Of course, I expect Fed to pick up and play better rather soon, but ATM, judging by their performances after AO, Delpo is the 3rd best player in my eyes and the 3rd favorite for Madrid (as the next big tournament) and RG (as the next Slam). Doesn't mean that all won't change as soon as after Madrid or Rome, tho.

P.S. Before some Murray fan starts nagging me, I also took into consideration that we are now in the clay court season, hence Delpo gets little bonus points.

P.S.S. Him being the 3rd best player atm, doesn't mean he should be ranked #3.
and how is he ahead of Murray and Federer in your mind?
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I mean in general. If a big tournament comes around, I believe Del Potro will always be at worst the fifth most likely man to win it/reach the final. On clay, he might (I emphasize the 'might') be ahead of Murray, but in general he definitely isn't. He most definitely is ahead of the rest of the field though.

He's not been quite top 4 since his return, but he's definitely the most immediate threat to them.
And what does 'in general' mean? Their peak level? Their achievements? Average level in their careers? Since they become top10? top5? In Slams? Slams and Masters? Against the top4? Against top10?

When you compare Delpo and Ferrer (since we all know that's what you are doing), we know few things for sure. Delpo has a higher peak level and is more talented. Ferrer is a harder worker. They are both MM kings and you don't see them often not winning a tournament where they are #1 seeds. And also, Delpo's 'average' goes up and down, but Ferrer's average is steady. Ferrer is never in form or out of form. Even when he 'is' the difference in his level is much smaller than the difference in Delpo's level that he tends to show. Delpo is a bigger threat to the very top guys because of that. You never know if he's going to have a good or a bad match, while you know what Ferrer beings to the table and it's almost never enough to beat a top4 player (bar Murray on clay).

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The are a few problems with this opinion:

1. Ferrer is over 2200 points ahead of Del Potro in the rankings.
2. Ferrer bitch-slapped Del Potro at Wimbledon and grass is Ferrer's worst surface.
3. Ferrer leads their head 2 head by some margin.
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If you mean atm, then I honestly think he's the 3rd behind Djokovic and Nadal. And I'm not trolling. Murray is in a minor slump. He did win Miami, but didn't play anything special and got destroyed by Wawa in MC, plus Delpo beat him just few weeks ago. Ferrer is injured, he's out of the discussion. Federer hasn't shown anything this year. Only thing worth mentioning is his win over Tsonga in AO, but even there he wasn't that great. Of course, I expect Fed to pick up and play better rather soon, but ATM, judging by their performances after AO, Delpo is the 3rd best player in my eyes and the 3rd favorite for Madrid (as the next big tournament) and RG (as the next Slam). Doesn't mean that all won't change as soon as after Madrid or Rome, tho.

P.S. Before some Murray fan starts nagging me, I also took into consideration that we are now in the clay court season, hence Delpo gets little bonus points.

P.S.S. Him being the 3rd best player atm, doesn't mean he should be ranked #3.
Murray is the second best player in the world you clown. Not third, not fourth, not fifth. Second. The results clearly back this up. How you can put Nadal and Del Potro above him is beyond me, must be some sort of logic that only makes sense to haters.

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and how is he ahead of Murray and Federer in your mind?
I said in the post you quoted.

And how is he behind Federer atm in your mind? Tell me please, what has Federer done this year? Just because he reached AO SF? Then I guess Ferrer is the 3rd best player atm, no? He reached AO SF also and has done more than Fed apart from that..

As I said, I expect Fed to be back rather soon, be until that, he hasn't shown me anything that would make me think he's the 3rd best player atm.

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Murray is the second best player in the world you clown. Not third, not fourth, not fifth. Second. The results clearly back this up. How you can put Nadal and Del Potro above him is beyond me, must be some sort of logic that only makes sense to haters.
actually he is number 3
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