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David ferrer.

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But he lost 23 times against you.
's right. We have to also throw into the mix. But I do not think it is currently the decisive factor. But he has achieved in my opinion too much. Maybe this is crucial if I move him even closer after major victories. But 14 or 17 Grand Slam titles is a significant difference. At the present time there is no question that he must be the greater player than me.

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Probably Wawrinka. Huge game but moderate results. Monfils up there aswell. So much talent and athleticism but not much to show for it. Don't quite agree on Gasquet who's been mentioned a lot, he clearly has limitations in his game that will prevent the really big results. Lacks a powerful serve, average forehand. He has done what han be expected imo, top 10-15 is what he'll do. Dont agree on Davy either. Davy has some M1000 and a wtf. Good for a guy with a weak serve and high risk game. Sure he should have done more in slams but he has achieved a lot I his career.

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Verdasco should be better. He has a powerful forehand and also good angles off of it. He is a good mover and his backhand is good. He needs to be in the top 15.

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career wise in last decade besides Nalbandian is 100% Blake
Blake hit so insanely hard and good (my god this is sounding strange now ) at times in the mid 2000s
frankly if you watch the best highlights of BLake, ala that US Open match against Agassi 2005, it makes today's game look fairly weak, they were just pounding the ball going for winners
granted maybe possibly even US Open 2005 court was a bit more favorable to faster play and also Blake-Agassi not being THAT defensive.
either way Blake achieved so little for so much talent.
he could hit winners out of nowhere like no one else. unfortunately now his movement is atrocious so he stands no chance to make a comeback, although he seems to think otherwise for some strange reason

as far as YOUNGER players,
certainly Del Potro has underachieved but that's partially due to bad luck
Dimitrov. for all his talent has underachieved even if he's still very young
Cilic.... let's not even start there....
Baghdatis, althoughe he is getting older too, and it's widely known that he underachieved due to lack of focus and a bad unhealthy lifestyle
you could honestly come up with so many talented players who are and have 'underachieved' because there are so many gifted players as the sport is so worldwide now

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Raonic in my opinion. I mean, she played well in the Davis Cup, but... I'm actually wondering how he doe versus Italy
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It's not just Federer, as I've mentioned he was losing a lot to a number of players, even Gasquet is 4-2 against him. I don't think you can pin everything on belief, how did he win 3 masters and a WTF if he didn't believe? Those are pretty big titles, more than Tsonga and Berdych have combined. Denko's game works the best in 3 sets, in slams he's just going to run out gas rather sooner than later.
Because he is a quite extraordinary talent, definitely a more talented ball strker than Tsonga and Berdych - who rely more on their physique/natural power to win. He's underrated because his talent is not as flashy as hitting a huge forehand or hitting incredible shots from miles behind the baseline, but any other player trying to take as early as Davydenko on a regular basis would be shanking every second ball.

His problem was never fitness, he was one of the fittest players on tour in his prime; his game relies so heavily on perfect timing and precision that confidence is pretty much everything. Even against Federer, he could blitz him for games at a time (see first set and a half of Australia 2010), just never when it counted. He plays a kind of game that pretty much requires great mental strength to beat the best players in big matches: second guessing himself is enough for his timing to be a bit off, which is enough for him to lose depth and penetration on his groundstrokes.

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Being a rather smaller player, he has to work a lot of the points out which places so much mental stress on a player. I mean it must be so nice to be a Federer or a Berdych where they can win so many free points off the serve and the forehand. It takes off a lot mentally.

Davydenko was definitely a bit unlucky in his career. He met Federer nearly every single time he had a good run at a slam which were almost all durnig Federer's peak years. I would have loved to see if Davydenko could challenge Nadal considering how Davydenko has had Rafa's number for a good portion of their encounters.
True, his lack of natural power was definitely an issue, but still he was/is a mentally weak player, no doubt about that. IMO, an improved version of the Davydenko game - slightly more natural power, better serve, much better mental conditioning - is the perfect antidote to the retrievers/monster hitters dualism that seems to be taking over men's tennis. A bigger/stronger (physically and mentally) player takng everything on the rise, taking time away from the retrievers/big hitters....

I'm going to say no, Davydenko would not have had challenged Rafa; Federer was a bad matchup for him, but he had chances, he just wasted them all. As much as he sometimes demolished Rafa on hardcourts, I don't believe for a second he'd get it done on a big Slam match, he just never had the required belief to be a champion.

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His problem was never fitness, he was one of the fittest players on tour in his prime; his game relies so heavily on perfect timing and precision that confidence is pretty much everything. Even against Federer, he could blitz him for games at a time (see first set and a half of Australia 2010), just never when it counted. He plays a kind of game that pretty much requires great mental strength to beat the best players in big matches: second guessing himself is enough for his timing to be a bit off, which is enough for him to lose depth and penetration on his groundstrokes.
Well, that is the problem, having to be perfect in best of 5 is a tall order, and he doesn't have much of a plan B, if his timing is off, that's it.

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Great and Accurate posts of all of you about Davy but ... just to clear things up ... he isn't mentally weak (He won and is still winning many important points by being clutch) .. but in his game there's no place for rest ... a little below maximum concentration and everything is gone thus it seems that he is choking ... but he is actually fighting! ... have you ever tried to play like that ? it can only be done when you're MEZMERIZING talent , have Perfect timing/hand-eye-coordination and with 100% confidnce ! ... the thing is he hadn't had the belief that he'll do something big ! All of his career he played tournaments for confidence ... He played so many tournaments that his motivation (not anything else) burned out.
Davydenko is nothing short of incredible http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOwyrFx44GE He even ON CLAY plays on the rise that's the most difficult thing in tennis ... cause the ball is spinning (faster after bounce) and bouncing Higher !
To end all of this: 2006 Davydenko was something ... graciously beautiful to watch ... IDK what it would've been if i saw him while winning Paris-Bercy in 2006 ... something beautiful like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUBXwBiEBcg

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Nalbandian by far. Followed by Wawrinka and Haas.

Davydenko underachieved but not that much, he should have at least one or 2 slam finals, but the rest of his career is great, 3 M1000, a WTF, a good amount of titles, etc.

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Davydenko's serve was a major weakness and he had very little variety in his game. His results are excellent for what he had to work with. Obviously he missed some chances but that happens to everybody.

It's funny that Nalbandian always gets mentioned since his career has been fantastic and he's another player who's weakness is the most important shot in tennis - the serve. When you watch his best matches and see how well he has to play off the ground it's not surprising he's never won a slam.

Haas you can count out since he's injured every body part under the sun.

You've really got to start looking at talented players who barely achieved anything in their career eg. Wawrinka, Malisse, Verdasco etc.

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