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Not really, I'm saying that he achieved a lot, and that going over that would most likely mean punching above his weight. I'm not buying that schedule/money explanation, if he wanted money why not going where the biggest money is - slams?

Ok, he's a elite ballstriker, what else does he do on that level? When he's not painting the lines, then he's usually in big trouble.
He never believed he could win a Slam. I remember after losing a Slam SF to Federer he said in the post match interview he has happy he had collected more points to quality for the TMC when he was like the third or fourth best player in the world. I'm sure most people who followed his career close would confirm that lack of self belief was always his main obstacle.

His footwork was also worldclass, one of the best on tour. Still is, although he lost footspeed in recent years of course. He also was one of the best returners of serve on tour. Davydenko is a huge underachiever, Federer was a bad matchup for him since in his prime he took time away from baseliners better than anyone but Davydenko had his chances to beat him at Slams, just wasted every single one of them, the most notorious chokes being sets 3 and 4 of AO 2006, the AO 2010 implosion and losing FO 2007 in straights after serving for each of the three sets.

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Re: Who do you think is THE current underachiever in the men's game?

It's not just Federer, as I've mentioned he was losing a lot to a number of players, even Gasquet is 4-2 against him. I don't think you can pin everything on belief, how did he win 3 masters and a WTF if he didn't believe? Those are pretty big titles, more than Tsonga and Berdych have combined. Denko's game works the best in 3 sets, in slams he's just going to run out gas rather sooner than later.

“There’s so many athletes, tennis players around the world,” he continued, trying to put his life into some kind of perspective, “they want to be the best in what they do. They want to succeed. Many of them, they don’t succeed in the end. I’m fortunate to have this opportunity and succeed.”
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Re: Who do you think is THE current underachiever in the men's game?

Gulbis, Tomic, Berdych, Monfils, Nadal

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Federer.

Had he not been such a headcase, he'd have won a lot more slams.
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Re: Who do you think is THE current underachiever in the men's game?

Gulbis. And now he's GOATbis, that is going to change.

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Gulbis. And now he's GOATbis, that is going to change.
Gulbis isn't talent. He is a mindless ball hitter and likes to play crush ball, not tennis. It's funny that people think he is good.

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Gulbis isn't talent. He is a mindless ball hitter and likes to play crush ball, not tennis. It's funny that people think he is good.
Assume you didn't see him against Nadal at IW then

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Assume you didn't see him against Nadal at IW then
I don't watch when Nadal plays a nobody.

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Assume you didn't see him against Nadal at IW then
Seeing Mugbis' scarecrow forehand in action is enough to turn any tennis fan away from a match. It's as offensive as Mugrin's serve and Sharapova's screams.
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Probably Federer

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Current underachiever has to be Wawrinka. Serves great, one of the best forehand + backhand combos on the tour, has very good feel at the net, plays on hardcourts and clay very well and can be a huge power player. Obviously his mental ability has held him back like so many other players in the past with such a tennis package as he has.

Gulbis is a candidate but IMO Wawrinka has a much more reliable tennis package in general.

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Gulbis isn't talent. He is a mindless ball hitter and likes to play crush ball, not tennis. It's funny that people think he is good.
His tennis is at the very least leaps and bounds better than your ability at predictions and at creating what you claim to be "tennis analysis."

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His tennis is at the very least leaps and bounds better than your ability at predictions and at creating what you claim to be "tennis analysis."
He is ranked 55. I am for sure one of the best 55 tennis analysts. Gulbis won't get much better than 40 in his career. Nobody really likes Gulbis himself people just like him for the false belief that he is dangerous to Nadal.

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Federer will fall
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He never believed he could win a Slam. I remember after losing a Slam SF to Federer he said in the post match interview he has happy he had collected more points to quality for the TMC when he was like the third or fourth best player in the world. I'm sure most people who followed his career close would confirm that lack of self belief was always his main obstacle.

His footwork was also worldclass, one of the best on tour. Still is, although he lost footspeed in recent years of course. He also was one of the best returners of serve on tour. Davydenko is a huge underachiever, Federer was a bad matchup for him since in his prime he took time away from baseliners better than anyone but Davydenko had his chances to beat him at Slams, just wasted every single one of them, the most notorious chokes being sets 3 and 4 of AO 2006, the AO 2010 implosion and losing FO 2007 in straights after serving for each of the three sets.
Being a rather smaller player, he has to work a lot of the points out which places so much mental stress on a player. I mean it must be so nice to be a Federer or a Berdych where they can win so many free points off the serve and the forehand. It takes off a lot mentally.

Davydenko was definitely a bit unlucky in his career. He met Federer nearly every single time he had a good run at a slam which were almost all durnig Federer's peak years. I would have loved to see if Davydenko could challenge Nadal considering how Davydenko has had Rafa's number for a good portion of their encounters.

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