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Re: Dubai SF: Tomas Berdych def. Roger Federer 3-6 7-6 (8) 6-4

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He's 31 years old, that's all the proof you should need. Name me one modern player who was as good at 31 as he was at 25-27. Agassi was good in his old age, but nowhere nearly as good as he was in his prime. 25-27 are prime years in tennis. After that comes the inevitable decline for ANY player. What Federer is doing at his age is nothing short of amazing. He regained no.1 spot for a while and won Wimbledon last year. At his age, that is a massive achievement. Granted, the difference between this Federer and 2006 Federer may not be huge, but in tennis losing half a step and/or a little bit of stamina is the difference between a grand slam champion and a runner up/semi-finalist.

I'm Nole fan, but in 4 years from now, when Nole starts losing frequently, are you going to make the same "prove it" argument? I am almost 100% certain that at 31 years of age, Nole will not be nearly as successful as Federer is right now.

For a while, I was of the same opinion, but then I re-watched some of Federer's matches from 2006/2007. There is no doubt in my mind that this version of Federer is (relatively speaking) a shadow of prime Federer. You may attribute that to the rise of competition, and partly that is true, but competition or no competition, it is clear that at his age, Federer is just that much slower and not as fit physically as he was back then, and that's all it takes.
as sad as it is, this is true. club level players have 4 seconds to reply to a shot, satellite have 3 seconds, qualies have 2, while the top 10 has 1. 25 seconds to react. imagine losing that .25 seconds to react is goint to be very costly at that level. and federer is no consistently being man handled by 3 players Djokovic, nadal, and Berdych. although Nadal is starting to lose his control on fed since Nadal's Backhand is starting to deteriorate

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Re: Dubai SF: Tomas Berdych def. Roger Federer 3-6 7-6 (8) 6-4

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I am sure that many young players at 25 or at 27 would like to play at the same level as Fed plays now.What Fed is doing at this stage of his career and this age is just incredible.For sure he has some physical problem but still whants to play and he does won so many titles GS,MS and has enough money.What does make him play really? He must love this game a lot

You already answered your own question.
It's the $$$ which makes him play, otherwise he would not have tried to double his appearance fee demand for his home tournament. It didn't work out but luckily he still has his big lifetime contract with Halle.

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Re: Dubai SF: Tomas Berdych def. Roger Federer 3-6 7-6 (8) 6-4

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He's 31 years old, that's all the proof you should need. Name me one modern player who was as good at 31 as he was at 25-27.
David Ferrer. He'll be 31 next month and he's as good now, if not actually better, than he was when he was 25-27.

In those years he was a solid top 20 player, with long stays in the top 10, but never ranked 4. He didn't win any titles in 2009, only 2 in 2008 and 3 in 2007. Yet he's won 9 titles in the last 14 months.

But nobody mentions David's age every time he loses a match.

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Re: Dubai SF: Tomas Berdych def. Roger Federer 3-6 7-6 (8) 6-4

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Your post seems far too sensible for this website, albeit stating much common sense and rational thought.

In relation to your comments, except for Agassi, all the open era greats fit the description you state above:

Sampras (14 GS) - retired at 31 after 2002 US Open, but in the period from Wimbledon 2000 until that win had hardly won anything.
Borg (11 GS)- effectively retired at the end of 1981 when still 25.
Nadal (11 GS)- hard to see him win a GS post 30 given the stress his body has received.
Connors (8 GS) - although played 3 GS in 1992 age 40, but last GS title won at 31 at US Open 1982.
Lendl (8 GS) - although played 3 GS in 1994 aged 34, but last GS title won at 29 at AO 1990.
Not to mention players like McEnroe (7 GS), Wilander (7 GS), Becker (6 GS) and Edberg (6 GS)all declined pre 30 and none won a GS aged 30 or more.

Despite the overwhelming historic evidence, many still cannot understand why Federer loses much more often and wins fewer GS these days. Much of what you says explains it.
Great post. Seems as if Fed has followed Sampras' trajectory. Fed also hadn't won a slam in over 2 years before winning his final slam at Wimbledon. I do expect this to be Fed's last year on the tour. The signs are there. His "farewell" tour of South America (though it wasn't called that) plus the massive curtailing of his schedule (including no longer playing DC) all point to the end being much sooner than most people would like to speculate.

That said, even at his age...I expect Fed to be beating the likes of Julien Benneteau who is no spring chicken himself.

Anyone who thinks Fed is going to dominate the next few slams is either trolling ("Honestly") or is in denial of the gravity of Fed's decline (Blind tards).
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Great post. Seems as if Fed has followed Sampras' trajectory. Fed also hadn't won a slam in over 2 years before winning his final slam at Wimbledon. I do expect this to be Fed's last year on the tour. The signs are there. His "farewell" tour of South America (though it wasn't called that) plus the massive curtailing of his schedule (including no longer playing DC) all point to the end being much sooner than most people would like to speculate.

That said, even at his age...I expect Fed to be beating the likes of Julien Benneteau who is no spring chicken himself.

Anyone who thinks Fed is going to dominate the next few slams is either trolling ("Honestly") or is in denial of the gravity of Fed's decline (Blind tards).
He's not retiring this year, and I have no idea what puts that in your mind. He is very motivated, healthy, and says he wants to play until Rio 2016.

Fed's last two years and Pete's final two years are NOTHING alike. Pete dropped hard in the rankings and lost all interest and motivation. It is quite the opposite for Fed - Annacone said that he still has the energy of a 22 year-old.

It's also a load of shit that he plays for the money these days. He plays for the love - he has more money than every user has on this forum combined most likely.
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Well, if 31-year-old Connors won a slam, even Lendl and Agassi won one at the same age... there must not be so much difference then. After 30 is another story... fed fans just should be proud of their man and shut up.



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Well, if 31-year-old Connors won a slam, even Lendl and Agassi won one at the same age... there must not be so much difference then. After 30 is another story... fed fans just should be proud of their man and shut up.
The game is way more physical than it was when Connors and Lendl played (and even Andre just 7-10 years ago).
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Re: Dubai SF: Tomas Berdych def. Roger Federer 3-6 7-6 (8) 6-4

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Well, if 31-year-old Connors won a slam, even Lendl and Agassi won one at the same age... there must not be so much difference then. After 30 is another story... fed fans just should be proud of their man and shut up.
Sour man will qlso end one day. You probably want somebody to come that day and spit in your face.
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He's not retiring this year, and I have no idea what puts that in your mind. He is very motivated, healthy, and says he wants to play until Rio 2016.

Fed's last two years and Pete's final two years are NOTHING alike. Pete dropped hard in the rankings and lost all interest and motivation. It is quite the opposite for Fed - Annacone said that he still has the energy of a 22 year-old.

It's also a load of shit that he plays for the money these days. He plays for the love - he has more money than every user has on this forum combined most likely.
Don't believe a damn thing this Allez fella says. He is the biggest Fedhater on the board disguised as a Fedfan but really a massive dulltard. I don't know how he has managed to fool everyone for this long. He is constantly breaking Fed down and building dull up. There is nothing mysterious about it.

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Don't believe a damn thing this Allez fella says. He is the biggest Fedhater on the board disguised as a Fedfan but really a massive dulltard. I don't know how he has managed to foll everyone for this long. He is constantly breaking Fed down and building dull up. There is nothing mysterious about it.
he is a money hungry beep tho. he refused basel cause they didnt give him an extra mill. but hey i would do the same in his shoes lol. goat can do whatever he wants.
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he is a money hungry beep tho. he refused basel cause they didnt give him an extra mill. but hey i would do the same in his shoes lol. goat can do whatever he wants.
They weren't paying him what they should have for years if I recall that story. He was only asking for what he should have been getting in the first place. And he didn't "refuse" Basel - he played there last year and is playing there this year.
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They weren't paying him what they should have for years if I recall that story. He was only asking for what he should have been getting in the first place. And he didn't "refuse" Basel - he played there last year and is playing there this year.
not according to his 2013 schedule
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Well, if 31-year-old Connors won a slam, even Lendl and Agassi won one at the same age... there must not be so much difference then. After 30 is another story... fed fans just should be proud of their man and shut up.
No, i am gonna cry and moan and suffer every day of his decline till he retires
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he is a money hungry beep tho. he refused basel cause they didnt give him an extra mill. but hey i would do the same in his shoes lol. goat can do whatever he wants.
Yeah I think Kyle is right. If he was a 'money hungry beep' he would not have refused millions in appearance fees over the course of his career. If you want to bash a 'money hungry beep' look no further than dull who have ruined his knees and health for the sake of greed and money.

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And Nadal's appearance fee in Halle was bloody ridiculous.

Basel isn't on his schedule now but I believe that will change by the time the tournament rolls around. If not, oh well. If he does skip it it means he will play Shanghai and Paris likely.
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