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I will make an stat of all the tournament since 1991 of points won/lost differential give me time maybe a month it is large stat but I like to do this
Wow if you need help just tell me I like it too, it will be great if you post it in the Statistics forum

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I will make an stat of all the tournament since 1991 of points won/lost differential give me time maybe a month it is large stat but I like to do this
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I will make an stat of all the tournament since 1991 of points won/lost differential give me time maybe a month it is large stat but I like to do this
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Moya Chennai 2005
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W/O
+8
-1
-7
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If he was told after R1 that he was going to win as many points as he would lose for the rest of the tournament, he probably wouldn't of thought he would be lifting the trophy.

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Another very clos that I recent found was Bryan Shelton in Newport 1991

R32 -5
R16 +11
QF +3
SF +1
F +1
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Hewitt 2002 Tennis Masters Cup came to mind, close is kind of interesting right?

Match point differential (in order of matches)
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-8
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in that tournament your other favourite Carlos Moya saved Hewitt from the elimination in the Round Robin by defeating and eliminating his compatriot Albert Costa in their last match, whereas Moya was already qualified for semis

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Well until the moment I have data about 952. I still have to look in like 700 tournaments more! and I recently found another impressive case

Nicklas Kulti in Adelaide 1993

R1: -1
R2: 10
QF: -6
SF: 2
F: 2

Total +7

This was so close!.
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in that tournament your other favourite Carlos Moya saved Hewitt from the elimination in the Round Robin by defeating and eliminating his compatriot Albert Costa in their last match, whereas Moya was already qualified for semis
Adds even more interest between the two (Moya and Hewitt).

Moya's win over Costa quite possibly cost Federer an additional (and yet his first) year end championship. Federer won the head-to-head series 7-0, but Moya may have still played his part in stopping Feds.


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Well until the moment I have data about 952. I still have to look in like 700 tournaments more! and I recently found another impressive case

Nicklas Kulti in Adelaide 1993

R1: -1
R2: 10
QF: -6
SF: 2
F: 2

Total +7

This was so close!.
Wow! But you beat my +10.

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Simple question.

Matches where a player loses more points than the won are kinda common, we see a few every week. Usually occurs when a player wins 2 close sets, often tiebreaks and gets blown out in the other set.

Rarely does said player have 3 or 4 such matches though. But they could have 2 where they lose more points and then 2 or 3 other close ones.

Say a player wins round 1 7-6 1-6 7-6 losing 7 more points
Wins round 2 7-5 7-6 winning 9 more points
Wins QF 2-6 7-5 7-6 losing 4 more points
Wins SF 7-6 7-6 winning 1 more point
Wins final 6-4 0-6 7-5 losing 3 more points

That player would have lost 4 more points throughout the tournament than he won. Has something like this happened?
As mentioned, seems like it would be very difficult to do unless there were a couple of 7-6, 1-6, 7-6 type scores with lopsided TBs to boot. Although such occurrences take place more times than one would think on tour, multiple occurrences involving the same player in the same tournament are rarer (either way -- losing more points and still winning or winning more points and still losing).

Slightly tangentially, if the ATP site's statistics are correct, one occurrence of a player winning a best of five match in straights sets while winning fewer points than his opponent is this one:

Agassi defeats Krajicek, Wimbledon 1993
7-5, 7-6(7), 7-6(8)

Total points won:

Agassi: 149
Krajicek: 151

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As mentioned, seems like it would be very difficult to do unless there were a couple of 7-6, 1-6, 7-6 type scores with lopsided TBs to boot. Although such occurrences take place more times than one would think on tour, multiple occurrences involving the same player in the same tournament are rarer (either way -- losing more points and still winning or winning more points and still losing).

Slightly tangentially, if the ATP site's statistics are correct, one occurrence of a player winning a best of five match in straights sets while winning fewer points than his opponent is this one:

Agassi defeats Krajicek, Wimbledon 1993
7-5, 7-6(7), 7-6(8)

Total points won:

Agassi: 149
Krajicek: 151

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Share/Ma...993&r=4&p=A092
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Re: Has Anyone ever won a tournament losing more points than they won?

Wawrinka Umag 2006

R32: +5
R16: -5
QF: +10
SF: -5
W: -2

Total of +3

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We are getting closer to our man Nice to see all of you finding who won a tournament losing more points than he won.

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Wawrinka Umag 2006

R32: +5
R16: -5
QF: +10
SF: -5
W: -2

Total of +3
Nice The best for the moment, in the final Djokovic retired and that is a shame because if the match had become longer it would have been maybe more than a "-2" in the final

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I looked in all the tournaments since 1991 and never happen and the closest was Wawrinka in Umag 2006

I will post something about the differential of points in a tournament in a couple of days
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I looked in all the tournaments since 1991 and never happen and the closest was Wawrinka in Umag 2006

I will post something about the differential of points in a tournament in a couple of days
That's perfect. I hope we will find some player that has won a tournament losing more points than he won. Or maybe we will have to look at WTA

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I'm going to open a similar thread trying to find if a player has won a tournament losing more games than he won. My intention is try to find the differential between won and lost games of every ATP tournament champion of 2012 (and then 2011, 2010, etc. if I have time) and every year sort them starting by who won a tournament with the lesser win games / lost games differential.

It is very difficult because a player can only win a 3 sets match loosing 4 games (or less) more than he won. If it is a 5 sets match the player can only win the match loosing 9 games (or less) than he won. So my intention is to find who won a tournament in each year with the worst differential.

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